What is "israel"? Somebody please....?

[Gandalf]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

Sorta like your British empire or American Empire? Is any other country on earth encased in such a geographic imperative? I think not. And Britain put them there. The Jews were in the area for thousands of years and they were systematically refused entry to countless countries. Of course Britain and the allies were going to look at origin.

Israel must cease and desist in expansion and find a 2 state solution. Or the Grandkids of today's Grankids will be dealing with this a hundred years from now.

No different to the immoral act of taking land by force commited by far too many regimes in world history. I condemn America and its poodle Britain and in turn condemn Israel which was largely created through years of pressure.

The numbers have already been shown in previous posts. Arabs were the people who lived in the region, Jews were just a tiny proportion.

The wrong has been perpetrated (outrageous state creation) and so now a 2 state solution is a must, but likewise, the settlements need to come down. The 1967 borders are agreed by practically everyone and thus they are the roadmap to peace. It is Israel and America that refuse to participate in anything just.

[IamInuit]

The creation of the state of Israel was a terrible blunder and has only ever caused trouble in the region. Countless wars, the continued degredation of the Palestinians. It was absurd to create Israel. On that basis you should really kick out the whities in America and create a new United States of Native Americans. Then you look at Israel today and they are using the same methods that manifest destiny Americans used. We will take land by force, we will degrade you, manipulate you. There will be no peace until we have all the land. Those that live within our borders shall be denied rights and work as serfs. It is exactly the same and the world created this and though it was a good idea? It is a blot on the planet.

Sorta like your British empire or American Empire? Is any other country on earth encased in such a geographic imperative? I think not. And Britain put them there. The Jews were in the area for thousands of years and they were systematically refused entry to countless countries. Of course Britain and the allies were going to look at origin.

Israel must cease and desist in expansion and find a 2 state solution. Or the Grandkids of today's Grankids will be dealing with this a hundred years from now.

No different to the immoral act of taking land by force commited by far too many regimes in world history. I condemn America and its poodle Britain and in turn condemn Israel which was largely created through years of pressure.

The numbers have already been shown in previous posts. Arabs were the people who lived in the region, Jews were just a tiny proportion.

The wrong has been perpetrated (outrageous state creation) and so now a 2 state solution is a must, but likewise, the settlements need to come down. The 1967 borders are agreed by practically everyone and thus they are the roadmap to peace. It is Israel and America that refuse to participate in anything just.

Simplistic. When the Jews were granted territory in 1948 after their scourge in Europe since the Bolshevik revolution its because nobody post world war 2 would take them as they were deemed something other then human. The problem is eternal and will never end because of Israels expansionism. Thee expansionism is based on the conflict not ending.

[TysonBomb]

Israel is an oppressive, malignant cancerous proxy state that lays a false claim to the land of Palestine. It serves a purpose of creating disorder and constant conflict between itself and the neighboring states surrounding it.

It has been encroaching upon Palestinian land for decades under the guise of "self defense" and has been actively annexing it.

[Beanz]

Israel is an oppressive, malignant cancerous proxy state that lays a false claim to the land of Palestine. It serves a purpose of creating disorder and constant conflict between itself and the neighboring states surrounding it.

It has been encroaching upon Palestinian land for decades under the guise of "self defense" and has been actively annexing it.

The moment you referred to the holocaust as a staged farce you buried your own credibility.

[TitoFan]

A Synopsis of the Israel/Palestine Conflict


Personally, I’ve never been to the Middle East, and much less traveled about and talked to the people there, to see what their thoughts are and how they feel about the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict. All I know is what I read in the papers and other printed media, and through news coverage, like everybody else. I figure it’s a good way to be informed, but carries the risk of being slanted one way or the other.

However, I did come across this site, which intends to explain the conflict in an objective manner, and more important… was founded by a news journalist who has been in the Middle East and walked among its people. So I figure she’s more qualified to give opinions about both sides than I am. Then of course the skeptic in me wanted to know whether her own opinion was slanted. Maybe she was born of Arab ancestry, or has something in her past that would cause her to harbor a dislike for Jews. So I looked a bit into her bio, and found nothing to suggest that. She seems a level-headed, intelligent, probing, inquisitive person… who is interested in knowing all the facts and sharing them with the rest of the American people.

Education is a good thing. I still shake my head at the National Geographic study some years ago, which found an extremely poor knowledge among today’s young people of some important subjects, but most notable geography. I remember the U.S. did very poorly when compared against other countries. This and other studies seem to have lit a bit of a fire under the U.S. consciousness, and prompted politicians to pay more attention to the educational needs of Americans.

But one needs to be careful with traditional education. Geometry and calculus books are surely the same in the U.S. as in any other country, save the language. But the principles are universal. History books are another matter. It depends who is telling the story. A lot of well-educated, very opinionated people have read the history books in their particular country. These books carry the stories that the particular culture wants to portray. The facts are all there… but the underlying factors might differ from one culture to the other.

But back to the Middle East. Ms. Weir, of not any known Arab descent or marital status, has traveled through these troubled regions, and seen things first hand. She has seen enough and learned enough to warrant founding a nonpartisan organization with the sole purpose of informing the general public of how things really are. For that she is to be commended.

The ideal thing, I think, is to be both intelligent AND open-minded. In the sense that you can say, “You know… I hadn’t thought of it that way before. Maybe… just maybe… I may have been wrong about certain things.”

All this being said, it’s heartening to read that many Palestinians are in favor of a peaceful, two-state solution… and are only too willing to sit down at the bargaining table and bring about solutions that acceptable to both.

[El Kabong]

The problem with that is, the Arabs don't want a peaceful 2 state solution, these "Palestinians" are just a jumping off point for them to get rid of Israel altogether. Do that and then they'll be on about the Persians and how they're "not real Muslims" ....the situation won't end because the Arabs don't want to let it end which is why they funnel in weapons....more weapons than food or any kind of relief, the people of Israel do that.

[TitoFan]

Forgive me if I choose to put little weight on your opinion about "what Arabs want."

I would hope that the informed opinions from someone like Ms. Weir, who has actually traveled through the region and spoken to the people, would prevail among the more open-minded sector of the U.S. population.