Master is spot on here with his assertion that the competition level in this era in this division is one of the weakest in its history and imo just behind Marcianos. Now if Wlads legions cant even grapple with that fact then so ends the debate if one can call it that.

Having said that, its not Wlads fault anymore then it was Hopkins in dominating one of the weakest mid divisions in history but these things will be taken into perspective by both fans and historians whether his stalwart fans like it or not.

Heaven forbid that he surpasses Louis.