Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko

[TysonBomb]

As someone here has stated, to assume Wlad beats '88 Tyson that would mean Tyson never did land 1 clean head punch on Wlad. That version of Tyson always landed one clean and hard punch to every opponent he faced up to that point, that would include fights where he went the distance with guys like Tillis, Green, Tucker, Smith. And I would say Tyson would be able to land one on Wlad. With that being said, would Wlad be able to take the punch? I would say no, considering we know that Wlad has a below average chin.

Yaar he wouldve pulled out citing menstrual cramps and bleeding ... And then duck him until he went to prison and then end up retiring while Mike was in prison claiming Mike didnt want to fight

[Dark Lord Al]

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall

[TysonBomb]

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall

David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

You guys have to understand that this is an wildabeast vs lion matchup ... The ungalate may look formidable with its size and horns from the exterior but its percieved strengths are just superficial and wont save it from the hungry jaws of the lion

Beyond his size Wlad is a panic attack glass jawed disaster waiting to implode.. He has never seen anyone like Tyson while Tyson never fought anyone who wasnt taller and bigger than him

[Dark Lord Al]

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall

David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

I think a difference of opinions in life are healthy , but to clear up a few points , Wlad is not "my boy" as you put it.
To compare Sammy Scaff / David Jaco to the brothers grim is just silly , dont forget Wlad would be punching back.
As for your child like stamping of the feet quoting the breaking of bones etc , i dont remember to many world class fighters he fought suffering these injuries.
Tyson was a bully , very good yes , unbeatable no.

[TysonBomb]

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall

David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

I think a difference of opinions in life are healthy , but to clear up a few points , Wlad is not "my boy" as you put it.
To compare Sammy Scaff / David Jaco to the brothers grim is just silly , dont forget Wlad would be punching back.
As for your child like stamping of the feet quoting the breaking of bones etc , i dont remember to many world class fighters he fought suffering these injuries.
Tyson was a bully , very good yes , unbeatable no.

The klits dont punch when they back peddle, they extend their arms forward and lean back

Razor Ruddock and Andrew Golota suffered these injuries ... Both of their careers were changed after that ... Razor Ruddock was a harder puncher than Wlad yet he couldnt contain Mike Tyson with his monstrous power ... and he was the most dangerous and feared heavyweight in the world after Mike. Andrew Golota was also a world class boxer, although a head case. Him quitting saved him from further serious injury against Mike.

Mike Tyson is the most explosive boxer in history, bar none. Watch Tyson vs. Ribalta and look at Ribaltas reaction to Mike landing the greatest, most powerful uppercut in history sending him across the ring and to the canvas. His facial expression says it all. Wlad would be unconscious, out cold if that ever landed on him.

[TysonBomb]

A list of tall heavyweights 6'4" and above that Mike fought and for the most part, easily defeated

Sammy Scaff - 6'5"
David Jaco - 6'6"
Mitch Green - 6'5"
Jose Ribalta - 6'6"
Alfonzo Ratliff - 6'4"
James Smith - 6'4"
Tony Tucker - 6'5"
Tyrell Biggs - 6'5"

There are more but this should suffice.

You Klit lovers will STILL claim that their size would save them. Why didn't it save all of these other guys? Most of these guys had a similar style to the Klits too, they jabbed and grabbed for the most part.

Tyson had DYNAMITE in both hands and would finish either Klit.

[TitoFan]

Wlad has a better chance than you may think , You are over looking the fact with his sheer size , I dont think Tyson would be able to bite Wlad's ear off , I think he is just to tall

David Haye took 3 rounds from your boy and made hum look foolish at times by dodging 4 and 5 punch combos with ease

Tyson was breaking ribs, moving cervical disks out of place, wiring jaws shut, and breaking bones in people skulls

He regulary beat guys as big as the klits ... David jaco, sammy scaff, tyrell biggs etc ... That leaning back arms out nonsense that the klits call "defense" would be an open invitation to Tyson ... Guys who did that and moved back suffered the worst beatings

You guys have to understand that this is an wildabeast vs lion matchup ... The ungalate may look formidable with its size and horns from the exterior but its percieved strengths are just superficial and wont save it from the hungry jaws of the lion

Beyond his size Wlad is a panic attack glass jawed disaster waiting to implode.. He has never seen anyone like Tyson while Tyson never fought anyone who wasnt taller and bigger than him

I get your disdain for Wlad. But didn't you just exaggerate one point just a little bit?
Exactly WHICH 3 rounds did "I hurt my toe" Haye take from Wlad?
He landed 72 punches in the ENTIRE FIGHT.

See here's the thing: Sometimes Wlad's opponents are just as scared of Wlad as he is of them.

[El Kabong]

It's not so much the size but the fighting style....not that any of this matters to such a rabid fan of Tyson as yourself. The solid jabs, the movement, the not allowing for inside fighting, the height of course is an issue same with reach. Look at the D'Mato/Rooney style, look at all of their fighters title holders, all-time greats, all of them...look who beat those guys there's a pretty distinct link to them. The guys that beat the D'Mato fighters were either bigger bullies or guys who controlled pace & distance. Wlad may not be a bully in the ring but he controls the pace and distance of a fight pretty well...Vitali can do both. Wladimir hasn't gotten where he's gotten because he's a bum or everyone he fights is a bum, that's lazy thinking right there and you're not giving a great champion his due respect. Tyson was great, though he flamed out very quickly and that was always going to be the case.

Wlad has stopped roughly 12 guys who had never been stopped before. He's fought a lot more southpaws than any other heavyweight champion in the history of the sport and his reign as champion is 3rd behind only Larry Holmes & the greatest of all-time Joe Louis.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Sammy Scaff - 6'5"
Mitch Green - 6'5"
Jose Ribalta - 6'6"
Alfonzo Ratliff - 6'4"
James Smith - 6'4"
Tony Tucker - 6'5"
Tyrell Biggs - 6'5" LOL.

Sammy Scaff - 6'5" Lost nearly half of his fights. Journeyman.
David Jaco - 6'6" Lost more than half of his! Worse than journeyman.
Mitch Green - 6'5" Won 19 fights in total! Useless. Chef from southpark. Tyson won decision.
Jose Ribalta - 6'6" Lost 17 of his fights. B- level at best.
Alfonzo Ratliff - 6'4" Lost over a third of his fights! Bum.
James Smith - 6'4" Lost 17 contests. B level. Decision win for tyson.
Tony Tucker - 6'5" Good win but note it was a 12 round competitive decision.
Tyrell Biggs - 6'5" LOL. Biggs. Francesco Damiani stopped him quicker a year later! Featherfist.

Note the 3 best fighters (all of them B level at best) went the distance! The temerity of u to even compare those men to K2....

Please stop being a dick and give me one fighter Tyson beat who was remotely comparable to prime K2? Sammy Scaff LOL....Imbecile.

"I don't buy the idea that today's fighters are not as good as the old fighters,If you had asked Joe Frazier if he could beat me when I was at my best, he would have said, 'Hell yeah.' That's the way boxing goes. I think I could beat the next generation of fighters but the reality of history is that the fighters get better and better, bigger and bigger and stronger and stronger, I think the heavweight scene is pretty good right now, The Klitschkos are doing great."

-Mike Tyson

[El Kabong]

Before that he compared them to Lou Savarese.....fucking Lou Savarese

[TitoFan]

Yeah... a quote from an old, transformed, "kindler gentler" Mike Tyson is definitely ironclad proof that he would've never beaten Wladimir Klitschko while in their respective primes. I guess that wraps up the argument.

[imp]

Cmon guys.

Would prime tyson beat a prime Wlad?

Lets ignore hindsight and all that and respect that wlad is the man of this era but he comes up short against iron mike.

[El Kabong]

Yeah... a quote from an old, transformed, "kindler gentler" Mike Tyson is definitely ironclad proof that he would've never beaten Wladimir Klitschko while in their respective primes. I guess that wraps up the argument.

Oooh more sarcasm from you you're SO good at it, I wish you would go on forever.

OK everybody you read Tito's posts nobody beats a "Prime" Tyson, nobody, he was unbeatable..... which was why he only held the title for how long again But Buster Douglas was class let me tell you!

The best fighter Tyson fought before his career was updended by the 42-1 underdog Buster Douglas was LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT Michael Spinks just allow that to sink in for a bit a light heavyweight was the "best opponent" for this unbeatable human wrecking machine......oh but Wlad's division is weaker . And after prison Tyson routinely picked the easiest path to success...although he attempted to cash in vs Holyfield and Lewis he was simply not an elite fighter after prison. Would he have caused for interesting matchups vs other fighters, certainly, Riddick Bowe, Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, and Ray Mercer top among them.

Could Wlad beat a "Prime" Tyson...meh maybe. Could Wlad beat a post prison Tyson? Absolutely.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Prime tyson never faced anyone remotely comparable to K2 so it is all sheer conjecture and speculation! There is no evidence to as to how Tyson would handle them at all because he never fought anyone of prime K2 calibre in his pomp! What evidence do you have that tyson would walk through these two specimens? Who has he beat that is as good as 3 time champ and iron chinned VK?

Point me to this Wlad like linear champ that he walked through? Yeah younger wlad was more vulnerable but so was tyson....Difference is wlad was good enough to better himself and is near inpenetrable these days.

Given the weakness of the 80's competition, and the inability of Tyson to comeback in any serious fashion after the Buster Douglas debacle, the Tyson myth of supremacy against journeymen fighters and under par contenders in the chaotic alphabet soup era of multiple governing bodies during the 1980's and 1990's leaves Mike Tyson with many question marks over him!

He was then humiliated by Holy twice, went life & death with B level ruddock twice, Totally outboxed by Lewis, yet he's gunna walk through these two! Laughable. One thing we do know for sure...Old tyson would have probably been killed by VK had that gone ahead! And im not being flippant!

[TitoFan]

There's several schools of thought regarding Tyson and the Klitschkos:

a. Tyson would have no chance against either Klitschko.
b. Tyson would mop the floor with either Klitschko.
c. Tyson would definitely beat Wlad, but would have a harder time with Vitali.

Interesting... I've never heard anyone say Tyson would beat Vitali, but maybe not Wlad.
That alone says people in general feel Vitali would have the better chance.

I'm in the "C" group. Wlad's chin would prove disastrous against Tyson. And Wlad appears to fight with fear of getting tagged. One thing is to "hit and not get hit", the art of boxing. Quite another is to spend 12 rounds pawing at an opponent, hoping not to get smashed. In Wlad's case, his opponents have come in with fear of their own, making for horrible fights.

Lyle, you say I'm sarcastic. But I've offered two basic reasons why Wlad would have little chance against a prime Mike Tyson. All I've gotten in return is a quote from an old Mike Tyson, and a post somewhere saying that Tyson is retarded. Hardly a convincing counter-argument. Meanwhile, the Tyson "nuthuggers", as you call them, provide reason after reason as to why Tyson would win.

It doesn't matter how long Tyson reigned vs. how long Wlad has reigned. Yeah Tyson burned out. What does that have to do with who would win in a head-to-head contest. In the end, Wlad will have the better career and better numbers. But again, how does that translate into Wlad beating Tyson?

Short answer: It doesn't.