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    Default Re: What is "israel"? Somebody please....?

    Forgive me if I choose to put little weight on your opinion about "what Arabs want."

    I would hope that the informed opinions from someone like Ms. Weir, who has actually traveled through the region and spoken to the people, would prevail among the more open-minded sector of the U.S. population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Forgive me if I choose to put little weight on your opinion about "what Arabs want."

    I would hope that the informed opinions from someone like Ms. Weir, who has actually traveled through the region and spoken to the people, would prevail among the more open-minded sector of the U.S. population.
    More sarcasm, you're almost fluent in it now aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Forgive me if I choose to put little weight on your opinion about "what Arabs want."

    I would hope that the informed opinions from someone like Ms. Weir, who has actually traveled through the region and spoken to the people, would prevail among the more open-minded sector of the U.S. population.
    More sarcasm, you're almost fluent in it now aren't you?

    Well, it's obvious you're inflexible in your views. Heaven forbid someone might throw some light on a subject you've completely made up your mind about, and maybe change your mind a little bit.

    A well-schooled person, whose business it is to travel to places and report on news, has gone to the trouble of trying to put some objective perspective on a subject that many Americans are misinformed about. And you just brush it off and continue to spout your opinionated thoughts. Then you get on my case for calling you inflexible and extremist.

    And since you've recently resorted to personal insults to me, be thankful that all I resort to is a little sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Well, it's obvious you're inflexible in your views. Heaven forbid someone might throw some light on a subject you've completely made up your mind about, and maybe change your mind a little bit.

    A well-schooled person, whose business it is to travel to places and report on news, has gone to the trouble of trying to put some objective perspective on a subject that many Americans are misinformed about. And you just brush it off and continue to spout your opinionated thoughts. Then you get on my case for calling you inflexible and extremist.

    And since you've recently resorted to personal insults to me, be thankful that all I resort to is a little sarcasm.
    But you're so open minded right? This is why you constantly call my views "extremist" correct? You've never elaborated on that stance you have and frankly I'm curious, what is "extreme" to you? How about you take a dose of your own advice?

    I showed actual video which was reported on as NEWS of "Palestinians" feigning their injuries like some bad Italian soccer team for sympathy and what do you say? Oh well we need to think long and hard about these issues, we need an open mind....no it's simple if you give them an inch they'll take a yard. How about you ask yourself how the Arabs would treat the Jews (if they hadn't already kicked them out of their countries).

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Well, it's obvious you're inflexible in your views. Heaven forbid someone might throw some light on a subject you've completely made up your mind about, and maybe change your mind a little bit.

    A well-schooled person, whose business it is to travel to places and report on news, has gone to the trouble of trying to put some objective perspective on a subject that many Americans are misinformed about. And you just brush it off and continue to spout your opinionated thoughts. Then you get on my case for calling you inflexible and extremist.

    And since you've recently resorted to personal insults to me, be thankful that all I resort to is a little sarcasm.
    But you're so open minded right? This is why you constantly call my views "extremist" correct? You've never elaborated on that stance you have and frankly I'm curious, what is "extreme" to you? How about you take a dose of your own advice?

    I showed actual video which was reported on as NEWS of "Palestinians" feigning their injuries like some bad Italian soccer team for sympathy and what do you say? Oh well we need to think long and hard about these issues, we need an open mind....no it's simple if you give them an inch they'll take a yard. How about you ask yourself how the Arabs would treat the Jews (if they hadn't already kicked them out of their countries).

    I call your views extremist because you are very opinionated on specific subjects and you tend to close your mind to any counter-argument regardless of its merit. Maybe extremist is not the right word... I might be thinking of the Spanish meaning. But whatever. You get my meaning.

    And think about this: You would put more weight on a video of a few Palestinians, which does not show any other background information and is an isolated incident captured on video..... but you've completely ignored the link I posted a few posts back on this person who has tried to open the eyes and minds of Americans to the fact that things may not be quite as they're portrayed in the Middle East.

    Be a little less defensive, and drop your guard for a minute. Isn't it possible that Americans in general might be a little misinformed about all the nuances and events regarding the Middle East conflict? Isn't it possible that Arabs by and large are sick of this eternal conflict and are just as willing to sit down to dialogue like the Israelis are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I call your views extremist because you are very opinionated on specific subjects and you tend to close your mind to any counter-argument regardless of its merit. Maybe extremist is not the right word... I might be thinking of the Spanish meaning. But whatever. You get my meaning.

    And think about this: You would put more weight on a video of a few Palestinians, which does not show any other background information and is an isolated incident captured on video..... but you've completely ignored the link I posted a few posts back on this person who has tried to open the eyes and minds of Americans to the fact that things may not be quite as they're portrayed in the Middle East.

    Be a little less defensive, and drop your guard for a minute. Isn't it possible that Americans in general might be a little misinformed about all the nuances and events regarding the Middle East conflict? Isn't it possible that Arabs by and large are sick of this eternal conflict and are just as willing to sit down to dialogue like the Israelis are?
    So basically I need to not have my own views, my own thoughts, and kowtow my own beliefs to whatever evidence is brought up to the contrary? How about instead of taking offense at my every single view on any given subject you just learn to agree to disagree? Because I'm pretty fucking tired of getting post after post after post of being called an "extremist" when I'm rather pragmatic about the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I call your views extremist because you are very opinionated on specific subjects and you tend to close your mind to any counter-argument regardless of its merit. Maybe extremist is not the right word... I might be thinking of the Spanish meaning. But whatever. You get my meaning.

    And think about this: You would put more weight on a video of a few Palestinians, which does not show any other background information and is an isolated incident captured on video..... but you've completely ignored the link I posted a few posts back on this person who has tried to open the eyes and minds of Americans to the fact that things may not be quite as they're portrayed in the Middle East.

    Be a little less defensive, and drop your guard for a minute. Isn't it possible that Americans in general might be a little misinformed about all the nuances and events regarding the Middle East conflict? Isn't it possible that Arabs by and large are sick of this eternal conflict and are just as willing to sit down to dialogue like the Israelis are?
    So basically I need to not have my own views, my own thoughts, and kowtow my own beliefs to whatever evidence is brought up to the contrary? How about instead of taking offense at my every single view on any given subject you just learn to agree to disagree? Because I'm pretty fucking tired of getting post after post after post of being called an "extremist" when I'm rather pragmatic about the situation.

    Have I suggested you should not have your own views? All I'm saying is... when presented with facts and opinions from an informed source, who may have a better vantage point than we have... is it not reasonable to at least become a little introspective and re-evaluate the views we've held based on other information?

    People that can do that... (REALLY do that, not just lip-service)... and modify their thoughts and beliefs based on newer, better, more accurate information... are in my opinion, admirable.

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