Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko

[El Kabong]

The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.

ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good post

[Master]

The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.

ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good post

So he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you.

[El Kabong]

The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.

ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good post

So he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you.

He doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.

[Master]

The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.

ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good post

So he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you.

He doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.

Or just sitting on the fence.

[Dark Lord Al]

The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.

ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good post

So he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you.

He doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.

Or just sitting on the fence.

nobody will ever know who would win so its kind of poinless really.

[El Kabong]

Or just sitting on the fence.

It's a hypothetical matchup for fucks sake Michael Buffer has an equal opportunity to knock out both fighters in a HYPOTHETICAL situation.

[Master]

Or just sitting on the fence.

It's a hypothetical matchup for fucks sake Michael Buffer has an equal opportunity to knock out both fighters in a HYPOTHETICAL situation.

Like I do not know it is a hypothetical match up.

Just have an opinion, is all I am saying like you have even if it is wrong.

[El Kabong]

Or just sitting on the fence.

It's a hypothetical matchup for fucks sake Michael Buffer has an equal opportunity to knock out both fighters in a HYPOTHETICAL situation.

Like I do not know it is a hypothetical match up.

Just have an opinion, is all I am saying like you have even if it is wrong.

An opinion is fine, but you can't prove much of anything to anybody. "Tyson beat Tyrell Biggs & he was tall" is akin to saying "Wlad beat up Jean Marc Mormeck and he was trained by the great Kevin Rooney"

[ninjaspy3]

The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.

ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good post

So he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you.

He doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.

Or just sitting on the fence.

No, honestly I find it an intriging matchup especially because I cannot say for sure what the outcome would be. One thing I suspect is that someone would go KO.

[TitoFan]

The way I see it, Wlad and Tyson both have abilities that could be kryptonite for the other. I think a large influence on the result would be whether or not Wlad loses his calm. If he remains calm and collective, I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside. If Tyson is able to unnerve Wlad, I think Tyson slips in some well placed punches that start Wlad on a downhill train wreck.

ninjaspy3, the Voice of Reason...good post

So he is the voice of reason because he agrees with you.

He doesn't agree with me, he can just see more than one outcome. "If ____ happens then ______" a rational way to discuss a hypothetical matchup.

Or just sitting on the fence.

No, honestly I find it an intriging matchup especially because I cannot say for sure what the outcome would be. One thing I suspect is that someone would go KO.

Heavyweights will always have that "puncher's chance" to end a fight either way. But beyond that, I read some "ifs" in your analysis which, IMO, are extremely iffy. For instance: "If he (Wlad) remains calm and collected..." Prime Wlad facing a prime Tyson. A headhunting, perpetual motion, dangerous with both hands Tyson. Personally I doubt Wlad would be calm and collected. He's fought scared against the likes of Sultan (who was in turn scared of him). So what makes you think he'd be calm and collected against the human wrecking ball?

Also, "I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside..." The only way to keep Tyson at bay was for the opponent to use his body, and to throw meaningful combinations, like Douglas did. I've seen plenty of Wlad fights and have never seen him fight like Douglas did that night. Douglas was taking it to Tyson, while in the process taking some shots of his own. Wlad fights in primarily a defensive pose. Always ready to use his arms to shield him from any dangerous shots. Also, not too many people were successful at tying prime Tyson up on the inside. What makes you think a scared Wlad would've been able to do it? Wlad tried pathetically to tie up against Brewster... and what happened?

I think the "downhill train wreck" is by far the most likely scenario.

[El Kabong]

Heavyweights will always have that "puncher's chance" to end a fight either way. But beyond that, I read some "ifs" in your analysis which, IMO, are extremely iffy. For instance: "If he (Wlad) remains calm and collected..." Prime Wlad facing a prime Tyson. A headhunting, perpetual motion, dangerous with both hands Tyson. Personally I doubt Wlad would be calm and collected. He's fought scared against the likes of Sultan (who was in turn scared of him). So what makes you think he'd be calm and collected against the human wrecking ball?

Also, "I could see him keeping Tyson at range or tying up on the inside..." The only way to keep Tyson at bay was for the opponent to use his body, and to throw meaningful combinations, like Douglas did. I've seen plenty of Wlad fights and have never seen him fight like Douglas did that night. Douglas was taking it to Tyson, while in the process taking some shots of his own. Wlad fights in primarily a defensive pose. Always ready to use his arms to shield him from any dangerous shots. Also, not too many people were successful at tying prime Tyson up on the inside. What makes you think a scared Wlad would've been able to do it? Wlad tried pathetically to tie up against Brewster... and what happened?

I think the "downhill train wreck" is by far the most likely scenario.

Right, feed him your reality of a hypothetical situation....see @ninjaspy3 this is how you become "open minded" by having your own ideas and then having someone say "Yeah, ummmm you're wrong and here's why", this is what TitoFan does just say "You're right, I can't argue with you on this hypothetical situation that'll never happen" because he won't allow you to use your logic and rational, because an "open mind" to him means "his way"....get used to that.

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