Holocaust denial

[VictorCharlie]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

[Gandalf]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

[VictorCharlie]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

None of which is relevant hence ad hominem.

1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

[Beanz]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

You are repeating yourself. Have you ever done any humanitarian work? Have you ever saved anyones life?

[Gandalf]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

You are repeating yourself. Have you ever done any humanitarian work? Have you ever saved anyones life?

I've paid my taxes and avoided killing foreigners. I would never work in a holocaust camp.

[El Kabong]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

I bet VC has never forced someone to learn english....Imperialist!!!!

[VictorCharlie]

My mother is 1/4 Cherokee, my ancestors were on the Trail of Tears and I have a BA in History but clearly I'm in denial and Miles the bigoted foreigner has the more clear perspective on the US. By his definition the black plague and any protracted military engagements between differing ethnicities are synanamous with holocaust.

[El Kabong]

My mother is 1/4 Cherokee, my ancestors were on the Trail of Tears and I have a BA in History but clearly I'm in denial and Miles the bigoted foreigner has the more clear perspective on the US. By his definition the black plague and any protracted military engagements between differing ethnicities are synanamous with holocaust.

Some times people rely so much on "book smarts" their common sense withers up and dies

[Gandalf]

I have a BA in History and Politics too, I don't see what that proves. I am sure plenty of learners learn more about history away from their ideologically accepted lecture halls. I certainly have. Having Indian blood is irrelevant to the argument unless you were actually partaking in events from 200 years ago. Otherwise, it is just a distraction.

What I do maintain is that invasion, slaughter, concentration camps and the subsequent murder by gun or illness inflected by purpose or accident count towards the genocide. The black plague was a plague alone. It wasn't also based around invasion, massive land theft and massacres of largely indigenous people. Quite different.

[VictorCharlie]

You fail to support your argument and resort to ad hominem but me pointing out that I have a much deeper connection to the Native American issues in my country's history and I'm the distraction? The millions that died from the black plague brought by rats in boats were as random as the millions that died in North America from disease brought by European explorers. Neither being genocide or comparable to the Holocaust.

[Beanz]

Miles your racist diatribe is becoming tiresome you are continuing to deny the holocaust with silly talk of it being the result of forced labour and not systematic murder. Your reputation for being somehow intellectually astute here on this forum is laughable. You are a joke. Everything you say is opinion not rational, considered or factual. You claim that history students learn more away from academic institutions and then dismiss Victor and his families real world experiences because you actually have no interest in Native Americans or their plight they are like the Palestinians a convenient stick with which to beat those you see as the enemy. The fact that you are despite marrying a South Korean still not a fluent speaker of the language and are still happy to take advantage of a countries hospitality, and teach students English says quite a lot about you.

[Gandalf]

Miles your racist diatribe is becoming tiresome you are continuing to deny the holocaust with silly talk of it being the result of forced labour and not systematic murder. Your reputation for being somehow intellectually astute here on this forum is laughable. You are a joke. Everything you say is opinion not rational, considered or factual. You claim that history students learn more away from academic institutions and then dismiss Victor and his families real world experiences because you actually have no interest in Native Americans or their plight they are like the Palestinians a convenient stick with which to beat those you see as the enemy. The fact that you are despite marrying a South Korean still not a fluent speaker of the language and are still happy to take advantage of a countries hospitality, and teach students English says quite a lot about you.

I don't deny the holocaust, it occured. But holocaust is an old word and does not speak for the Hitler extermination process alone. It only became about the Jews from the 1960's onwards. In fact all you do here is jump into a thread and offer a bunch of insults. What is the point in that?

I have learned a lot more about history on my own than on a university course. It isn't an outlandish suggestion. One needn't have been to university to read books, newpapers and journals. As for suggesting what my interests might be, then you are just making presumptions. You do not know my motivations. Wrong is wrong and feel it fair to argue when I feel like doing so. It doesn't matter if VC is 1/8th Indian, he is from a more civilised age, and has never experienced the hardship that they did.

And excuse me? Your final points are disgraceful. You have no idea idea what Korean abilities I possess and am a permanent resident here. Hospitality doesn't come into it, this is my home and I am no guest. A language component is typically part of the process. What does that have to do with anything anyway? You are just a bored individual looking to fence with insults. I find that boring.

You are a feeble man to just jump into a thread casting insults despite having nothing to add. You make assumptions that really have no merit. Just nonsensical. We read history in books. Genetics are genetics. I have certainly never learned much about life from my own dead relatives of 100 years ago and likely neither have the vast majority of us. Most die in relative silence.

[Ghost]

[Gandalf]

You've soured my mood now. There are numerous books on the subject. Stannards book American Holocaust gives extremely harsh numbers and documents in depth the brutality and slaughter of an ethnic group. What do I have to gain by stating that an entire group was almost eradicated. Do I get satisfaction from that? No, it appalls me and it is my reaction to those distressing feelings that compels me. My logic and rationale comes from relatively straightforward moral truisms. You cannot say one action is not comparable to another action when both involved starvation, illness and slaughter. The comparisons are too obvious.

I have made my statements and they can be supported by the writings of others who have done the proper research. To find books and titles, Amazon and Google are good friends.

[Beanz]

Miles if you look on page ONE of the thread you will see how in posts 6 and 8 I refuted your silly, childish and offensive opinions. The holocaust is not some political football to idly kick around in an effort to score points. You did not have the decency to respond because you like Chomsky have an agenda. You are ranting with no forethought, your claims can not be given credence because you are not engaging in a discussion. You call a country your home and then claim you have not learned to speak its language fluently, that speaks volumes.