Juan Manuel Marquez Tells Pacquiao To His Face Floyd Would Kick His Ass On ESPN First

[christianshreve]

For the rest of his life Floyd will have to deal with having caught the same fear factor virus that Roy Jones dealt with against Dariusz Michalczewski--he found a guy who spooked him and said no. Manny scared him into being unavailable. Whether or not we believe Floyd would have neutralized the combination machine that has been the pacman, Floyd was too scared to find out. Floyd could have been given the edge in every category, but he didn't think he could win, and the boxing fans could just suffer.
At his highest level, the most gifted froze like a 2nd grader at the edge of the local pool high dive. "No thanks, mister, I'm coming back down the ladder. Not because I'm scared of the dive, no sir. It's just that I've pooped my pants."
Mayweather's fear of Manny is phobic, and that means it is irrational as an elephant being scared of a mouse. Phobia's aren't rational, and we should let go of the fight and enjoy Pretty Boy Floyd's remaining excellence, even if he didn't overcome all of his personal demons. Hell, does anyone?

[IamInuit]

For the rest of his life Floyd will have to deal with having caught the same fear factor virus that Roy Jones dealt with against Dariusz Michalczewski--he found a guy who spooked him and said no. Manny scared him into being unavailable. Whether or not we believe Floyd would have neutralized the combination machine that has been the pacman, Floyd was too scared to find out. Floyd could have been given the edge in every category, but he didn't think he could win, and the boxing fans could just suffer.
At his highest level, the most gifted froze like a 2nd grader at the edge of the local pool high dive. "No thanks, mister, I'm coming back down the ladder. Not because I'm scared of the dive, no sir. It's just that I've pooped my pants."
Mayweather's fear of Manny is phobic, and that means it is irrational as an elephant being scared of a mouse. Phobia's aren't rational, and we should let go of the fight and enjoy Pretty Boy Floyd's remaining excellence, even if he didn't overcome all of his personal demons. Hell, does anyone?

Another winner. You speak of style making fights and talk about movement in relationship to a one dimensional attack in this dead horse fight but I think you must have pasted that from some yahoo answers page.

Marquez cant fight off the back foot and he has so far countered him to shit in three controversial fights landing right hands almost at will and he's slow compared to Mayweather with less options with that hand.

Add to that Floyds ability to fight and land meaningful punches while in reverse and Manny is in trouble. That is at a time when the fight made sense/cents. Its pretty much irrelevant now and as beanflicker says perhaps one of the biggest blunders in history.

[imp]

For the rest of his life Floyd will have to deal with having caught the same fear factor virus that Roy Jones dealt with against Dariusz Michalczewski--he found a guy who spooked him and said no. Manny scared him into being unavailable. Whether or not we believe Floyd would have neutralized the combination machine that has been the pacman, Floyd was too scared to find out. Floyd could have been given the edge in every category, but he didn't think he could win, and the boxing fans could just suffer.
At his highest level, the most gifted froze like a 2nd grader at the edge of the local pool high dive. "No thanks, mister, I'm coming back down the ladder. Not because I'm scared of the dive, no sir. It's just that I've pooped my pants."
Mayweather's fear of Manny is phobic, and that means it is irrational as an elephant being scared of a mouse. Phobia's aren't rational, and we should let go of the fight and enjoy Pretty Boy Floyd's remaining excellence, even if he didn't overcome all of his personal demons. Hell, does anyone?

Nah. Takes two to tango.

Roy jones was the kingpin and Dariusz Michalczewski should have got his ass out of germany and took the fight with roy in america where he would have got paid twice as much!

Floyd is the same kingpin of era. Its not his fault that manny and arum cant agree a price for this fight to happen.. Theres so much behind the scenes we dont know about but its just easier to call floyd scared or not maximising his potential.

[Beanflicker]

Agreed. ^ That's one thing that really baffles me. Roy was the undisputed #1 in the division, the #1 p4p in boxing. Who was Dariusz outside of Germany? If you want to be the best, you have to come fight the best. It made no sense for Roy to go over to Germany and risk getting robbed.

[Fenster]

Michalczewski was the lineal champ, the true champ, so Roy should have travelled to him. Why should the champ risk getting robbed in America?

[christianshreve]

No one can can doubt Floyd's ability to counter going forward or back.
If he hadn't hid from Manny he would be in Pernell Whitaker's class historically as well as physically.
Mayweather may not swing the counter right hard, but that straight pop makes everyone have to reset after he lands it.
As to Roy Jones, it does appear to have become common knowledge that Jones, with all his startling gifts, would have indeed moved to the moon rather than face Dariusz Michalczewski.
Can you imagine the Packers not showing up to the stadium one Sunday so they could avoid the Bears?
Unlikely, but some of our most gifted fist fighters think this a viable operating procedure.

[christianshreve]

I'm not opposed to disagreement on any point, and I'm not pasting Yahoo pages. This thread contains educated posters with compelling points. Forums like this enable people to enhance understanding.

[DavilaJones]

My point had nothing to do with the triangle theory in boxing. I merely asked what is the big deal if one loses to the other? No one can say "he's exposed as a phony" that's ridiculous and because of fans like that most boxers are so damn hesitant to take on challenges.

If one loses to the other, they'll still be a first ballot hall of famer. They'll still be considered one of the best fighters in this era. So really it will just be a point of bragging rights between the two and not the cataclysmal ending of careers and legacy that most people believed it to be.

Cotto vs Mayweather. Cotto lost absolutely nothing losing in that fight. He gained respect and adulation if anything. Did Oscar lose anything losing to Pacquiao? In my opinion he did not. So why is there so much built up, feigned or otherwise stake for the winner and loser of this 'super fight'?

I would personally applaude them both for fighting each other the same way I respect Carl Froch and Andre ward for fighting everyone under the sun in their division.

[Beanflicker]

Michalczewski was the lineal champ, the true champ, so Roy should have travelled to him. Why should the champ risk getting robbed in America?

Was Mariusz ranked higher than RJJ? The fighter makes the belt, not the other way around.

Roy was the undisputed #1 p4p. Roy was the big name of the two(figuratively, not literally obviously). As such, people should be coming for you, not the other way around.

I'm a Tiger fan for sure, but he would have gotten obliterated by Roy Jones of the late 90s/early 2000s.

[Fenster]

Michalczewski was the lineal champ, the true champ, so Roy should have travelled to him. Why should the champ risk getting robbed in America?

Was Mariusz ranked higher than RJJ? The fighter makes the belt, not the other way around.

Roy was the undisputed #1 p4p. Roy was the big name of the two(figuratively, not literally obviously). As such, people should be coming for you, not the other way around.

I'm a Tiger fan for sure, but he would have gotten obliterated by Roy Jones of the late 90s/early 2000s.

Michalczewski was THE champ. You can't get higher ranked than that. Yes fighters make the belt, and once you've established yourself as the legit no.1 belts are utterly meaningless.

I agree Roy was the better fighter, I agree Roy would have won, and I agree Roy was the mythical P4P best in the world.

However, he wasn't the true lightheavy champ. You can't just ignore an already established champion, becuase you're not willing to travel, and then claim to be the king because you pick up a couple of his leftover belts.

As the challenger the onus really was on Roy to make the fight not Michalczewski.

[imp]

Well darius must be the true p4p champ then. Roy didnt have time to weight for darius he was to busy winning heavyweight championships..was that less of a risk?

Darius was to busy trying to be next rocky marciano while roy was making history in multi weight divisons.

Roy already got the worst decision in history at the olympics you cant blame him for not wanting to travel when the most money can be made in america.

And lets not talk common opponents between these two as im sure its apparent who had the harder road..!

[Beanflicker]

Michalczewski was THE champ. You can't get higher ranked than that. Yes fighters make the belt, and once you've established yourself as the legit no.1 belts are utterly meaningless.

I agree Roy was the better fighter, I agree Roy would have won, and I agree Roy was the mythical P4P best in the world.

However, he wasn't the true lightheavy champ. You can't just ignore an already established champion, becuase you're not willing to travel, and then claim to be the king because you pick up a couple of his leftover belts.

As the challenger the onus really was on Roy to make the fight not Michalczewski.

I can appreciate the fact that he was the linear champ, but what do belts really mean in boxing compared to public perception? Belts are treated like the tin they are for the most part; fighters willingly relinquish them, fighters are stripped for rediculous reasons, fighters have to fight illegitimate mandatories, ect ect. Favourable public perception isn't as easily attained.

It's all well and good that Dariusz had the linear title, but what good is a title if no one recognized him for it? Everyone looked at Roy Jones as the #1 LHW in the world for all those years. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just stating the facts. And who really needed that fight more? Roy Jones will go down as an all-time great. A belt holder in multiple weight divisions. Dariusz is a guy who, outside of Germany and Poland, only big boxing nuts really know or care about.

My point is that even though Mariusz had the title, he standed to gain a lot more with a win over Roy Jones than vice versa. And for that reason, he should have sucked it up and came over for his shot at greatness. Roy Jones didn't need him on his resume.