No major disagreements on this topic. Maybe a couple of minor comments:


Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
What serious boxing fan doesn't rate quality over quantity when judging a fighters record? If the 50-0 fighter has fought a load of bums and the 30-3 fighter is proven world-class everyone will consider the latter superior.
Not everyone. You and I and other serious boxing fans would... but there's others that would just look at the record at face value.


Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
If you chop the bottom half of Canelo's record off, for a 22-year-old, at 20-0, with a bunch of former world champions and challengers on his record it's still very impressive.

No issues with that. Given Canelo's very young age, and even though the former world champions have been either over-the-hill or undersized... at 22 years old it's still impressive. To a point.


Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
And Chavez Jr, as weak as his overall record is, nearly knocked out a P4P star and the lineal middleweight champ.

So even if they have bloated records, they both proved themselves at world level.

My major disagreement is over JCC Jr. Combine the extreme coddling and opponent handpicking... the doping issues, all designed to bring Junior in at twice the size of his opponent on fight night... the lack of discipline and thinking he's owed greatness because of his last name...

He was being thoroughly owned and schooled by the much smaller Martinez before catching him in the 11th round. Martinez still used his vastly superior boxing skills to weather the storm and finish the beating.

IMO, Junior has proved little except being a one-dimensional, undisciplined fighter with a good chin.