Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez IV - Saturday night fight/chat thread

[Gandalf]

I can't believe it. Pacquiao won the boxing contest, but Marquez destroyed him. That is just not normal. I supported Marquez, but it didn't feel right and then that? Out of this world.

Marquez wasn't joking. He wasn't trying to win rounds. He was losing the fight, he just wanted to end it. But Pac walked into that. He is usually much better than to make such a sloppy move.

Jesus Christ. Marquez should retire now and know that he destroyed the reign of the best fighter in the world.

Marquez wasn't even competitive when he fought the best fighter in the world

Mayweather is a part time fighter who wouldn't even fight Manny. He isn't the best fighter in the world as far as I am concerned. Also, Marquez wasn't even attuned to anything beyond 135 at that time. He has done it far more carefully in the last year or so.

Pac was the best in his division and otherwise Floyd is irrelevant. Prior to tonight Pac was the best fighter in the world. I give little time to anyone who fights once a year and cherry picks to fill up the coffers.

[Kirkland Laing]

Watching the interviews afterwards on the Top Rank feed Arum obviously wants to make the fight again and Manny is definitely going to fight again.

[TysonBomb]

Watching the interviews afterwards on the Top Rank feed Arum obviously wants to make the fight again and Manny is definitely going to fight again.

I was really hoping for Manny to clock Arum right there

[Majesty]

I can't believe it. Pacquiao won the boxing contest, but Marquez destroyed him. That is just not normal. I supported Marquez, but it didn't feel right and then that? Out of this world.

Marquez wasn't joking. He wasn't trying to win rounds. He was losing the fight, he just wanted to end it. But Pac walked into that. He is usually much better than to make such a sloppy move.

Jesus Christ. Marquez should retire now and know that he destroyed the reign of the best fighter in the world.

Marquez wasn't even competitive when he fought the best fighter in the world

Mayweather is a part time fighter who wouldn't even fight Manny. He isn't the best fighter in the world as far as I am concerned. Also, Marquez wasn't even attuned to anything beyond 135 at that time. He has done it far more carefully in the last year or so.

Pac was the best in his division and otherwise Floyd is irrelevant. Prior to tonight Pac was the best fighter in the world. I give little time to anyone who fights once a year and cherry picks to fill up the coffers.

[Spicoli]

Manny should should have rematched and battered Bradley. As much for mental as physical approach.

I say forget a 5th rematch. No need.

[Gandalf]

I can't believe it. Pacquiao won the boxing contest, but Marquez destroyed him. That is just not normal. I supported Marquez, but it didn't feel right and then that? Out of this world.

Marquez wasn't joking. He wasn't trying to win rounds. He was losing the fight, he just wanted to end it. But Pac walked into that. He is usually much better than to make such a sloppy move.

Jesus Christ. Marquez should retire now and know that he destroyed the reign of the best fighter in the world.

Marquez wasn't even competitive when he fought the best fighter in the world

Mayweather is a part time fighter who wouldn't even fight Manny. He isn't the best fighter in the world as far as I am concerned. Also, Marquez wasn't even attuned to anything beyond 135 at that time. He has done it far more carefully in the last year or so.

Pac was the best in his division and otherwise Floyd is irrelevant. Prior to tonight Pac was the best fighter in the world. I give little time to anyone who fights once a year and cherry picks to fill up the coffers.

Erm....okay.

Something just galls me when the so called 'best boxer' is practically retired whilst the other one who people claim is the best was active and winning without suckerpunches gets downplayed. Beaing undefeated, but as active as a sloth shouldn't really count.

Pacquiao, at the least was the best active fighter in boxing prior to today. Marquez crushed him. This is relevant and meaningful. Mayweather on the other hand is not meaningful nor relevant at the moment. He has no fight on the horizon, last fought an age ago, and wouldn't fight the best active fighter on the planet. His most recent opponent also looked shot in his last fight and Mayweather lost several rounds to him. I think Mayweather is half shot now, personally speaking of course.

Sure, Marquez lost to Mayweather, but Mayweather wouldn't even make weight and was calling out a LW with no experience of bulking up. It is disrespectful for anyone to even mention Mayweather in the triumivate equation. Marquez and Pac did it somewhat honestly. Mayweather is just a punk. He cheated against Marquez and wouldn't fight Manny.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I can't believe it. Pacquiao won the boxing contest, but Marquez destroyed him. That is just not normal. I supported Marquez, but it didn't feel right and then that? Out of this world.

Marquez wasn't joking. He wasn't trying to win rounds. He was losing the fight, he just wanted to end it. But Pac walked into that. He is usually much better than to make such a sloppy move.

Jesus Christ. Marquez should retire now and know that he destroyed the reign of the best fighter in the world.

Marquez wasn't even competitive when he fought the best fighter in the world

Mayweather is a part time fighter who wouldn't even fight Manny. He isn't the best fighter in the world as far as I am concerned. Also, Marquez wasn't even attuned to anything beyond 135 at that time. He has done it far more carefully in the last year or so.

Pac was the best in his division and otherwise Floyd is irrelevant. Prior to tonight Pac was the best fighter in the world. I give little time to anyone who fights once a year and cherry picks to fill up the coffers.

Erm....okay.

Something just galls me when the so called 'best boxer' is practically retired whilst the other one who people claim is the best was active and winning without suckerpunches gets downplayed. Beaing undefeated, but as active as a sloth shouldn't really count.

Pacquiao, at the least was the best active fighter in boxing prior to today. Marquez crushed him. This is relevant and meaningful. Mayweather on the other hand is not meaningful nor relevant at the moment. He has no fight on the horizon, last fought an age ago, and wouldn't fight the best active fighter on the planet. His most recent opponent also looked shot in his last fight and Mayweather lost several rounds to him. I think Mayweather is half shot now, personally speaking of course.

Sure, Marquez lost to Mayweather, but Mayweather wouldn't even make weight and was calling out a LW with no experience of bulking up. It is disrespectful for anyone to even mention Mayweather in the triumivate equation. Marquez and Pac did it somewhat honestly. Mayweather is just a punk. He cheated against Marquez and wouldn't fight Manny.

Both still lose to Mayweather - I still think Mayweather was very respectful in his fight with Marquez - in the sense that he was in against a lighter, slower fighter, he never really went too hard on him. He never needed to.

[Spicoli]

Feels like a case of blue balls seeing this only on a fish tank like stream

Can't wait for HBO re air and view on a fat ass flat screen!!

[bcollins]

Feels like a case of blue balls seeing this only on a fish tank like stream

Can't wait for HBO re air and view on a fat ass flat screen!!

Same here - I'm too old to squint that much. I wanna see that fight again in all its glory.

One thing I can't help but think about - how much would Emanuel Steward have loved that fight? I missed him tonight a lot.

[Gandalf]

If Mayweather could have stopped Marquez I am sure he would have done so. He didn't make weight for the fight and was in with a man who had no experience beyond LW.

Mayweather beat Marquez by a landslide, but it was a dodgy fight in terms of Marquez not being a WW and Mayweather not meeting his side of the deal.

The Marquez who fought Manny a year ago would have done far better against Mayweather and definitely so against this older Mayweather. Mayweather has lost his legs now. Marquez bulked up properly and acclimatised to the weight. In other words Marquez had learned from the Mayweather fight and done his homework better.

The argument I have here is simply that I don't consider Mayweather the best active fighter in the world as he is a part time boxer. I have no issues with the Marquez/Mayweather fight result, but do believe Marquez is far better than the result suggests and I proffer the reasons of acclimatisation and cheating as partial explanations.

That fight is what it is though. Prior to this Manny was the best fighter in the world and he has been destroyed.

[bcollins]

If Mayweather could have stopped Marquez I am sure he would have done so. He didn't make weight for the fight and was in with a man who had no experience beyond LW.

Mayweather beat Marquez by a landslide, but it was a dodgy fight in terms of Marquez not being a WW and Mayweather not meeting his side of the deal.

The Marquez who fought Manny a year ago would have done far better against Mayweather and definitely so against this older Mayweather. Mayweather has lost his legs now. Marquez bulked up properly and acclimatised to the weight. In other words Marquez had learned from the Mayweather fight and done his homework better.

The argument I have here is simply that I don't consider Mayweather the best active fighter in the world as he is a part time boxer. I have no issues with the Marquez/Mayweather fight result, but do believe Marquez is far better than the result suggests and I proffer the reasons of acclimatisation and cheating as partial explanations.

That fight is what it is though. Prior to this Manny was the best fighter in the world and he has been destroyed.

I think a Mayweather/Marquez fight would be a much more competitive affair at this point. I'd pay to see it

[Gandalf]

If Mayweather could have stopped Marquez I am sure he would have done so. He didn't make weight for the fight and was in with a man who had no experience beyond LW.

Mayweather beat Marquez by a landslide, but it was a dodgy fight in terms of Marquez not being a WW and Mayweather not meeting his side of the deal.

The Marquez who fought Manny a year ago would have done far better against Mayweather and definitely so against this older Mayweather. Mayweather has lost his legs now. Marquez bulked up properly and acclimatised to the weight. In other words Marquez had learned from the Mayweather fight and done his homework better.

The argument I have here is simply that I don't consider Mayweather the best active fighter in the world as he is a part time boxer. I have no issues with the Marquez/Mayweather fight result, but do believe Marquez is far better than the result suggests and I proffer the reasons of acclimatisation and cheating as partial explanations.

That fight is what it is though. Prior to this Manny was the best fighter in the world and he has been destroyed.

I think a Mayweather/Marquez fight would be a much more competitive affair at this point. I'd pay to see it

You won't let Marquez have his retirement will you?

Anyway folks, that's me done for the day too. A lot of posting, a lot of nerves, and just a brilliant result in the end. Full props to Marquez, but also commiserations too to Manny Pacquaio. He has been on the recieving end of my verbal sword for many years now and though delighted to see Marquez stop him, it was a very brutal stoppage. What goes around comes around, and it just is what it is. Pac had seemed like a rock in recent years, but he is just human after all. He is a proud man and won't have taken the stoppage well at all. I hope he will be okay.

Still, this is the moment for Marquez and I hope he enjoys it to the max. Over and out.