JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

[IamInuit]

The foot thing is being over played. Not only is this common when a southpaw faces an orthodox but it happened numerous times in all three previous fights. Manny does drop his left hand when he jabs and he did it in this case while in the pocket and it was him that closed the distance. The punch was coming regardless of the foot.

[Fenster]

The foot thing maybe explains why Manny was sparked unconcious for about three hours instead of just being unconcious like a normal unconcious sparkage job.

I don't know.

But I think the trip theory is pretty sound.

[Fenster]

I also heard he went back to favouring those dodgy socks.

[CutMeMick]

@Youngblood : So if I understand this correctly JMM landed that shot because Pac tripped?

[Youngblood]

@Youngblood : So if I understand this correctly JMM landed that shot because Pac tripped?

No, not at all. Some pacfans are saying that. They'd be wrong. I'm not.

He would have landed it either way I believe. It was just much more devastating because of the trip also. Just because a trip happened doesn't take away from it, but it is also no reason to ignore it when analyzing things. I honestly believe I am one of the most unbiased people on this site, maybe any site. I just see what I see from a technical stand point and say it, my guy, your guy, it don't matter to me.

[CutMeMick]

@Youngblood : So if I understand this correctly JMM landed that shot because Pac tripped?

No, not at all. Some pacfans are saying that. They'd be wrong. I'm not.

He would have landed it either way I believe. It was just much more devastating because of the trip also. Just because a trip happened doesn't take away from it, but it is also no reason to ignore it when analyzing things. I honestly believe I am one of the most unbiased people on this site, maybe any site. I just see what I see from a technical stand point and say it, my guy, your guy, it don't matter to me.

This whole foot thing is just funny... But anywho.

I think that shot lands regardless of where Pac steps. He was walking right into it as he stepped forward.

[p4pking]

Nobody is suggesting Marquez "tripped" him. Marquez had his lead foot set well before Pacquiao came forward off balance and out of position, the same thing has happened frequently in all of their fights as Inuit said. It doesn't detract from Marquez' win to attribute it to better footwork and patience, surely..Manny tripped up because he came in wide open at the wrong moment, not the other way around.

[greynotsoold]

@Youngblood : So if I understand this correctly JMM landed that shot because Pac tripped?

No, not at all. Some pacfans are saying that. They'd be wrong. I'm not.

He would have landed it either way I believe. It was just much more devastating because of the trip also. Just because a trip happened doesn't take away from it, but it is also no reason to ignore it when analyzing things. I honestly believe I am one of the most unbiased people on this site, maybe any site. I just see what I see from a technical stand point and say it, my guy, your guy, it don't matter to me.

This whole foot thing is just funny... But anywho.

I think that shot lands regardless of where Pac steps. He was walking right into it as he stepped forward.

That is why I have thought for many years that Pac can be timed. He steps in with the jab, and when he throws the left, he brings his left foot up, he squares up. I think he does that to get really turned on his right hook, which I have thought for awhile is his hardest punch.
If you notice in this last fight, the right hook is really absent from his arsenal, because he is dodging the right of Marquez as he throws the left hand, but then Pac landed that very hard right in the fifth and was looking for it again.. When their feet got tangled, I'm sure there was some effect on Pac's balance, but he was stepping up with is left foot, putting him right in front of that right hand.

[Second2None]

Don't really thing much changed tactically. Only thing with this perfect shot was that Marquez baited Pac and he bit. All that time from the third fight marquez was rotating to his left and pac followed. setting up his punch in the fourth was predictable even for marquez and nacho.

[IamInuit]

The foot thing maybe explains why Manny was sparked unconcious for about three hours instead of just being unconcious like a normal unconcious sparkage job.

I don't know.

But I think the trip theory is pretty sound.

Yup I do think the lights were out a little longer because of it.

[amat]

Youngblood and P4P are right on here. The trip was obviously something and It does nothing to discount Marquez' victory. I don't buy that he was wearing a bigger shoe, that seems absurd. Yb is right though, I didn't see it until the next day either. Rather then be repetitive, I'll throw one more accidental consequence of the trip and that the trip may have opened Pacquiao up a bit. Pacquiao isn't an amateur and it was off to see him have a little 'bow and arrow' lunging with the jab like that

[p4pking]

Youngblood and P4P are right on here. The trip was obviously something and It does nothing to discount Marquez' victory. I don't buy that he was wearing a bigger shoe, that seems absurd. Yb is right though, I didn't see it until the next day either. Rather then be repetitive, I'll throw one more accidental consequence of the trip and that the trip may have opened Pacquiao up a bit. Pacquiao isn't an amateur and it was off to see him have a little 'bow and arrow' lunging with the jab like that

No doubt. Manny was already walking into a perfect shot, but losing his balance at the last second like that made it unreal. Marquez had already lined him up perfectly and committed to the punch, the fact that Pac tripped over his lead is only further to his credit! It's not hard to imagine the effect being magnified by that kind of lapse, Marquez was already almost beside him by the time he turning the shot over, Manny didn't see it to begin with.

[Julius Rain]

First of I don't want to take any credit away from Marquez.

However, the first thin I always look at when Pac gets caught by Marquez are their feets and usually Marquez feet is the one ontop of Pacs.

Seeing the knockout punch and seeing Pac falling forward instead of away from the punch is like he ran into a wall without balance and without the force to knock him backwards.

YB, I think when you thought something didn't look right. I felt the same and realize the fact that why did pac fall towards the punch instead of the punch powering pac away with its force. The trip played a major part, just saying.

Again, I do not intend to take credit away from Marquez. I actually didn't want to engage into this whole trip/out of balance because as a pac fan if I did I knew nobody would believe me. Just adding my 2 cent since the neutral guys saw it too.

[CutMeMick]

Well as long as it's not an excuse it's all good.

Also did you guys notice JMM also tripped on Pac's foot in his knockdown?
I didn't notice that on fight night maybe cuz I jumped out of my seat and started yelling "fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck! here he comes now"