Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

[Fenster]

Look, I'm just basing this factual reasoning on pure statistcal verified data.

Naz had a 100% knockdown to knockout conversation rate at featherweight. That is a fact. Marquez hit the canvas numerous times at featherweight, let alone other weights. Therefore the stats indicate Naz, who was P4P one of the hardest punchers ever, KO's Marquez.

Marquez is a greater fighter than Naz in the grand scheme of things. But even if Naz knocked him spark out, which is highly likely, it wouldn't have altered Marquez high postion in boxing. Fact.

[Violent Demise]

Look, I'm just basing this factual reasoning on pure statistcal verified data.

Naz had a 100% knockdown to knockout conversation rate at featherweight. That is a fact. Marquez hit the canvas numerous times at featherweight, let alone other weights. Therefore the stats indicate Naz, who was P4P one of the hardest punchers ever, KO's Marquez.

Marquez is a greater fighter than Naz in the grand scheme of things. But even if Naz knocked him spark out, which is highly likely, it wouldn't have altered Marquez high postion in boxing. Fact.

Cesar Soto went the full 12 with Hamed. The same Cesar Soto who was stopped in 1 round by Adrian Valdez. Sounds to me like you trying to say Hamed isn't the fighter Valdez was. Interesting.

[IamInuit]

Styles make fights.

I think the 126 Marquez puts on a clinic and Manny probably gets stopped. Marquez was never off his feet prior to Manny and it was the speed and opposite side that worked at the start. Hameds rubber band man routine does not work with Marquez southpaw or not.

[Althugz]

Exactly, Fenster trollin'.

Pac I guess you can say is a pick em fight - but Naz beating JMM?

Top trollin' *CLAP CLAP CLAP*

[Beanz]

Exactly, Fenster trollin'.

Pac I guess you can say is a pick em fight - but Naz beating JMM?

Top trollin' *CLAP CLAP CLAP*

Starting a thread is not trolling. Posting pithy one liners and sarcastic emoticons ? That is trolling. I should know apparently I couldn't be more troll like if I lived under a bridge.

[ono]

When I first opened this thread I thought that maybe Fenster had gone about it in the wrong way. It was obviously too obvious.

But no. Quite amusing.

[bestjabwins]

I like the thread. It feels like the boxing Taliban have been overthrown - you can say Naz beats Pac, without fear. Yay.

[Master]

No one can really right off Naz because he punched so hard. It could happen that he catches JMM and stops him as he has the power. However no one has stopped Marquez and he has been in the ring with Manny 4 times so he knows how to handle himself. He would probably have an easier time with Naz as the fight would be less intense than they are with Manny but he would have to concentrate on not get caught with the unusual punches that Naz threw. 80% likely that JMM would have won.

[CutMeMick]

that is all.

[TysonBomb]

Marquez ducked Nas and rejected what would've been the highest purse of his career

Prime Nas, who was hungry and focused and had yet to be limited by the chronic swelling problems he developed in his hands would've given Pac a fight.

[AdamGB]

You think the 'chronic swelling problems' were just limited to his hands?

You're right though, Marquez cherry picked all of his fights, he strikes me as the type of fighter who is fearful of a loss and who avoided the best, never seeking them and his legacy will always have a huge blemish on it for not fighting Naseem p4p the greatest hamed.

I'm starting to lose count of the ammount of Frank Warren fighters who have holes in their records because 'fighter X turned down a career high pay day'.

I'm starting to suspect that there's maybe more to these fights not coming off than that, but then again Warren is so trustworthy...

[TitoFan]

Marquez ducked Nas and rejected what would've been the highest purse of his career

Prime Nas, who was hungry and focused and had yet to be limited by the chronic swelling problems he developed in his hands would've given Pac a fight.

I honestly tried to find a vid of people supporting your (and Fenster's) theory, but this is the closest I could come up with.

[Fenster]

@TitoFan - You need a video? For fucks sake talk about denial (how many times?)

Here's the same HBO guys confirming Marquez ducked Naz (@AdamGB - Frank Warren had nothing to do with Naz at this stage). All four turned down huge career high paydays.

[TitoFan]

It took you over an hour to take the bait.
I'm somewhat disappointed.

[Fenster]

It took you over an hour to take the bait.
I'm somewhat disappointed.

Well I can't react to things I haven't seen.

It actually took me about 30 seconds to provide the uninitiated with the truth.