JMMs different tactic in the 4th fight..

[Youngblood]

@Youngblood : So if I understand this correctly JMM landed that shot because Pac tripped?

No, not at all. Some pacfans are saying that. They'd be wrong. I'm not.

He would have landed it either way I believe. It was just much more devastating because of the trip also. Just because a trip happened doesn't take away from it, but it is also no reason to ignore it when analyzing things. I honestly believe I am one of the most unbiased people on this site, maybe any site. I just see what I see from a technical stand point and say it, my guy, your guy, it don't matter to me.

[CutMeMick]

@Youngblood : So if I understand this correctly JMM landed that shot because Pac tripped?

No, not at all. Some pacfans are saying that. They'd be wrong. I'm not.

He would have landed it either way I believe. It was just much more devastating because of the trip also. Just because a trip happened doesn't take away from it, but it is also no reason to ignore it when analyzing things. I honestly believe I am one of the most unbiased people on this site, maybe any site. I just see what I see from a technical stand point and say it, my guy, your guy, it don't matter to me.

This whole foot thing is just funny... But anywho.

I think that shot lands regardless of where Pac steps. He was walking right into it as he stepped forward.

[p4pking]

Nobody is suggesting Marquez "tripped" him. Marquez had his lead foot set well before Pacquiao came forward off balance and out of position, the same thing has happened frequently in all of their fights as Inuit said. It doesn't detract from Marquez' win to attribute it to better footwork and patience, surely..Manny tripped up because he came in wide open at the wrong moment, not the other way around.

[Youngblood]

lol cognitive dissonance on display itt.

I don't think it is funny or silly at all to examine. It would be in a thread about kudos for a fighter, where if by design it is to take away from the message. This is about strategy so more apt to discuss technical issues. Important to separate the two.

If you look at what happens to Pacs hands mid way, they go from the usual delivering a jab reaction, with possibly a followup left, to one of natural reaction to falling. Think about the human reaction to falling. Both hands tend to pull up almost 100% of the time to protect the head for when it hits the ground. It's not something someone chooses to do, it just happens.

Like I mentioned, when I watched it that night I only had real time footage of the waist and up and from a stream, a good one mind, but not taped, or in HD. It bothered me as something seemed off. Mostly the heads speed and angle driving in. Next morning had all the information, DL'd HD version, gifs, and so analyzed it and it made sense and had the aha moment to what didn't seem correct in the body mechanics of a typical KO.

[greynotsoold]

@Youngblood : So if I understand this correctly JMM landed that shot because Pac tripped?

No, not at all. Some pacfans are saying that. They'd be wrong. I'm not.

He would have landed it either way I believe. It was just much more devastating because of the trip also. Just because a trip happened doesn't take away from it, but it is also no reason to ignore it when analyzing things. I honestly believe I am one of the most unbiased people on this site, maybe any site. I just see what I see from a technical stand point and say it, my guy, your guy, it don't matter to me.

This whole foot thing is just funny... But anywho.

I think that shot lands regardless of where Pac steps. He was walking right into it as he stepped forward.

That is why I have thought for many years that Pac can be timed. He steps in with the jab, and when he throws the left, he brings his left foot up, he squares up. I think he does that to get really turned on his right hook, which I have thought for awhile is his hardest punch.
If you notice in this last fight, the right hook is really absent from his arsenal, because he is dodging the right of Marquez as he throws the left hand, but then Pac landed that very hard right in the fifth and was looking for it again.. When their feet got tangled, I'm sure there was some effect on Pac's balance, but he was stepping up with is left foot, putting him right in front of that right hand.