Juan Manuel Marquez, clean or not?

[CFH]

I doubt more than 5% of all professional fighters are clean.

[palmerq]

I doubt more than 5% of all professional fighters are clean.

I sort of agree :S why wouldn't they cheat if you follow any other sports and investigate drug cheats there it's not that hard to get around even this famous olympic testing... i.e marion jones, lance armstrong..... with such big money at stake and such a small risk of being caught why not dope :S.. I am a big cycling fan and even with the very strict testing there so many people get away with it and are onyl caught when the police invesitgate doctors who supply the stuff and so on...

I would guess marquez is on some form of drug cheating just because of who he is working with just now... but whatever I dont really care and I doubt he has no bigger an advantage than the other big name fighters have

[IamInuit]

Lets just call everyone cheaters and call it an even playing field.

[Gandalf]

No man that drinks his own urine can ever be considered clean.

[GAME]

Wouldnt surprise me if he was roided cu so much more powerful than he was vs Fedchecnko afew months earlier and that doesnt happen naturally at 40 but team Pac should have stipulated random testing if they had concerns.

[armin]

Could it be that pacs chin is just slowly giving in Not like he's been a defensive genius in his career, hell its also not like marquez never hurt him before. Plus it was a perfect punch with many already going forward so that only enhanced the impact.

[Beanflicker]

Plus it was a perfect punch with many already going forward so that only enhanced the impact.

That's the thing. Pac has been hit hard before, but how many times has he been hit that cleanly, with that big of a bomb, coming in that hard? Perfect punch, I doubt many (if any) around that weight would have been able to take that shot.

[RussellScott]

innocent until proven dopey

[Beanflicker]

The fact is that it's just not realistic for a 40 year old man to make that kind of physical improvement.

Your natural testosterone level starts dropping when you hit your 30s. And that's for your average Joe.

Boxers have it worse, because it's found that with all the punches they take to the head, their pineal gland is damaged and their testosterone levels end up being similar to a much older man's.

Do I think a 40 year old man who has taken over 20 years of blows to the head can put on that much muscle naturally, all the while undergoing an incredibly taxing cardiovascular training camp? No, I don't believe that for a second.

[RussellScott]

Were PED's used by the MARQUEZ camp? An in-depth discussion in this interview with Steve Kim of Maxboxing.com

[erics44]

The fact is that it's just not realistic for a 40 year old man to make that kind of physical improvement.

Your natural testosterone level starts dropping when you hit your 30s. And that's for your average Joe.

Boxers have it worse, because it's found that with all the punches they take to the head, their pineal gland is damaged and their testosterone levels end up being similar to a much older man's.

Do I think a 40 year old man who has taken over 20 years of blows to the head can put on that much muscle naturally, all the while undergoing an incredibly taxing cardiovascular training camp? No, I don't believe that for a second.

i have a few points to make

once you reach your mid 20s its very hard to put on muscle at any rate so if it was lean muscle we were looking at, even tho he is with the best trainers and under the best conditions you can get for putting on muscle, i find it hard to believe

having said that, it may not have been lean muscle, he has put on a fair bit of weight but it could have been fat in the right places

sounds daft i know but i have gone through periods of body building, the idea is you bulk then cut, so eat loads put on loads of fat and some muscle then get rid of the fat

each time i started to bulk i started to look much more muscular even tho much of what i was putting on was fat

having said all that, i think he was on steriods just as i think pac was at least around the time of the cotto fight

[ono]

Nope. He drinks his own piss like a tramp. Tramps are dirty.

[ryanman]

Nope. He drinks his own piss like a tramp. Tramps are dirty.

........It's Ono ladies and gentlemen

He's here all week folks.

[erics44]

I doubt more than 5% of all professional fighters are clean.

i actually think 5% of all fighters might be a bit low

im sure there are many a journey man and low level fighter who are clean

once you get to a certain level tho I agree with you

[erics44]

ive been to mexico and you can buy steriods in most chemists

they are advertised on the windows

im not sure if there are any additional rules once you get in the chemist and ask for them mind