Juan Manuel Marquez, clean or not?

[GAME]

Wouldnt surprise me if he was roided cu so much more powerful than he was vs Fedchecnko afew months earlier and that doesnt happen naturally at 40 but team Pac should have stipulated random testing if they had concerns.

[armin]

Could it be that pacs chin is just slowly giving in Not like he's been a defensive genius in his career, hell its also not like marquez never hurt him before. Plus it was a perfect punch with many already going forward so that only enhanced the impact.

[Beanflicker]

Plus it was a perfect punch with many already going forward so that only enhanced the impact.

That's the thing. Pac has been hit hard before, but how many times has he been hit that cleanly, with that big of a bomb, coming in that hard? Perfect punch, I doubt many (if any) around that weight would have been able to take that shot.

[beenKOed]

Plus it was a perfect punch with many already going forward so that only enhanced the impact.

That's the thing. Pac has been hit hard before, but how many times has he been hit that cleanly, with that big of a bomb, coming in that hard? Perfect punch, I doubt many (if any) around that weight would have been able to take that shot.

The first right hand was beautiful too!

Here is what I think happened and I'am not making an excuse for Manny or trying take anything away from Marquez.

The first KD of Manny was a real surprise for all of us especially Manny. Manny recovered and was doing better than Marquez. He was trying to erase that KD from everyone's mind by doing everything possible to win or steal every round, like every fighter does. The ten second warning had sounded and Manny went to work to ensure a close or winning round. He got careless and Marquez was waiting.

He was outsmarted, you could almost say he KOed himself.

That punch Marquez threw was as good as you'll ever see! It was beautiful, it was perfect and it was devastating.

[Kirkland Laing]

I agree with Beanflicker saying even the best drug testing can be beaten. Even if somebody doing 24/7, 365 random testing tests negative it doesn'ty mean he really is. But it definitely makes it harder for cheats to cheat.

Donaire, who is the only boxer doing random 24/7 365 testing asked Arce to do random testing under VADA for this fight. Arce declined to do so. Arce's strength coach is Angel Hernandez/Herdedia, the same guy JMM uses.

[Chino]

Donaire, who is the only boxer doing random 24/7 365 testing asked Arce to do random testing under VADA for this fight. Arce declined to do so. Arce's strength coach is Angel Hernandez/Herdedia, the same guy JMM uses.

No way, really? Please share the link that talks about this.

Was Arce also afraid of needles, blood makes him nervous, he gets weakened and cannot train properly, he’s superticious, etc.?

[Second2None]

If heredia is arces' s&c coach...then damn. I wouldn't be surprise if their is an upset. Arce is one of my favorite fighters. Would be ashamed if this is true.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Donaire, who is the only boxer doing random 24/7 365 testing asked Arce to do random testing under VADA for this fight. Arce declined to do so. Arce's strength coach is Angel Hernandez/Herdedia, the same guy JMM uses.

No way, really? Please share the link that talks about this.

Was Arce also afraid of needles, blood makes him nervous, he gets weakened and cannot train properly, he’s superticious, etc.?

Interesting because Arce is one tough guy and Nonito has shown an ability to be hit hard recently. We could be witnessing another upset

[Kirkland Laing]

Donaire, who is the only boxer doing random 24/7 365 testing asked Arce to do random testing under VADA for this fight. Arce declined to do so. Arce's strength coach is Angel Hernandez/Herdedia, the same guy JMM uses.

No way, really? Please share the link that talks about this.

Was Arce also afraid of needles, blood makes him nervous, he gets weakened and cannot train properly, he’s superticious, etc.?

Donaire said he asked Arce when the fight was made if he would agree to accept the Olympic-style testing that Donaire has been doing. Arce declined, though Heredia said prior to the Pacquiao-Marquez fight that all fighters he works with going forward will undergo such testing.

Nonito Donaire closing in on Fighter of the Year with no-nonsense, clean approach to boxing - Yahoo! Sports

[IamInuit]

I agree with Beanflicker saying even the best drug testing can be beaten. Even if somebody doing 24/7, 365 random testing tests negative it doesn'ty mean he really is. But it definitely makes it harder for cheats to cheat.

Donaire, who is the only boxer doing random 24/7 365 testing asked Arce to do random testing under VADA for this fight. Arce declined to do so. Arce's strength coach is Angel Hernandez/Herdedia, the same guy JMM uses.

But that's guilt by association Kirk. Honestly bud every strength and conditioning coach at this level today is well aware and up to speed on modern day chemistry. Now do we then conclude all are cheating because testing is so shallow? Again if so then its an even playing field. The boxing powers at be should have a testing manifesto for at least tin bashing. Random testing for all title fights. Paid for by the fab 4 parasites that create another belt every other year in order to collect more sanctioning fees.

They don't want random testing and neither does any promoter. Why is that? Economics.

[Kirkland Laing]

I agree with Beanflicker saying even the best drug testing can be beaten. Even if somebody doing 24/7, 365 random testing tests negative it doesn'ty mean he really is. But it definitely makes it harder for cheats to cheat.

Donaire, who is the only boxer doing random 24/7 365 testing asked Arce to do random testing under VADA for this fight. Arce declined to do so. Arce's strength coach is Angel Hernandez/Herdedia, the same guy JMM uses.

But that's guilt by association Kirk. Honestly bud every strength and conditioning coach at this level today is well aware and up to speed on modern day chemistry. Now do we then conclude all are cheating because testing is so shallow? Again if so then its an even playing field. The boxing powers at be should have a testing manifesto for at least tin bashing. Random testing for all title fights. Paid for by the fab 4 parasites that create another belt every other year in order to collect more sanctioning fees.

They don't want random testing and neither does any promoter. Why is that? Economics.

I tthink the vast majority are cheating ans I agree with you that the boxing industry doesn't want random testing as it might catch cheaters and fuck up massive fights.