Juan Manuel Marquez, clean or not?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

he said he's for olympic style testing.

Olympic style testing can be cheated.

This day and age, unless you're truly niave, you have to acknowledge the fact that your favorite boxers either ARE or HAVE used some type of banned performance enhancer. The tests have been proven to be HIGHLY cheatable, so not pissing hot is not really a strong indicator.

Whether JMM is using or not has no relevance in the Pac fight, however, because Pac is probably the most suspect guy in boxing when it comes to PED usage.

So let's not bother with anything then

[Beanflicker]

So let's not bother with anything then

I'm just stating facts. People are falsely believing that Olympic style testing (and the "olympic style testing" that gets brought up in boxing isn't even true Olympic-style testing) is going to be the magic bullet that cleans up the sport, and that's just not realistic.

[DavilaJones]

I agree that any test can be cheated out of but however the filter makes it harder for most to get away with cheating. You can't ever have full proof but god damn VADA is so much better than USADA that its just saddening.

As for JMM cheating, I can't ever say he wasn't because for all he knew he could have been taking a protein shake and not knowing what it was, or he knew, or it was just a protein shake..see where I'm going with this?

Who knows, its not like he was lighting quick and in the 11th round he was still a bundle of energy, his punch output was generally less than normal and he was pivoting his shoulders and hips into his right hand ala Hearns.