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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    The saying "styles make fights" is very self-serving. You use it if a fight you promote stinks and you are trying to explain why, or it comes out if a fight that was supposed to suck heats up.
    All, every single one, good fighters are counter-punchers. You cannot be good unless you counterpunch well. Some guys wait and counter, other guys push to draw leads they can counter off. Counterpunching is the trick when it comes to boxing.
    My favorite styles...Olivares against Lionel Rose...Most any fight with Buddy McGirt, Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike McCallum, Ricardo Lopez, or James toney. I like guys that counter well, punch good, and make a fight.

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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    It's basic theory but not practice. Outside fighter vs inside fighter? Depends on if the out side fighter stops inside getting close and the inside fighter has to get close.

    Counter puncher needs to counter of course but then again a hard hitter needs to hit and not be countered.

    But it's all theory not cast iron tactics. Anything can happen.

    My fav fighter style is either inside pressure like Sebastian Lujan or Ricky Hatton.
    I also like (not a style but) heavyweights that have chins and walk forward, Shannon Briggs for example.
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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    The saying "styles make fights" is very self-serving. You use it if a fight you promote stinks and you are trying to explain why, or it comes out if a fight that was supposed to suck heats up.
    All, every single one, good fighters are counter-punchers. You cannot be good unless you counterpunch well. Some guys wait and counter, other guys push to draw leads they can counter off. Counterpunching is the trick when it comes to boxing.
    My favorite styles...Olivares against Lionel Rose...Most any fight with Buddy McGirt, Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike McCallum, Ricardo Lopez, or James toney. I like guys that counter well, punch good, and make a fight.
    Aren't you sort of saying that boxing in its essence is brain over brawn? Counter punchers look/think about openings, and jump in when they see an opportunity. Roberto Duran wasn't a counter-puncher, but he was a thinker, and he was one of the best ever.

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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    The saying "styles make fights" is very self-serving. You use it if a fight you promote stinks and you are trying to explain why, or it comes out if a fight that was supposed to suck heats up.
    All, every single one, good fighters are counter-punchers. You cannot be good unless you counterpunch well. Some guys wait and counter, other guys push to draw leads they can counter off. Counterpunching is the trick when it comes to boxing.
    My favorite styles...Olivares against Lionel Rose...Most any fight with Buddy McGirt, Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike McCallum, Ricardo Lopez, or James toney. I like guys that counter well, punch good, and make a fight.
    Superb post. Mike was a master with the feint also which is a skill that has eroded over the years. I have been thinking about this question since the author posted it and its tougher then it appears. I could watch defensive wizards like Locche, Pep and Whitaker all day along with the pure counter punchers but if I had a gun to my head or was forced to take one style to watch on a deserted island it would be boxer punchers like Mikey Garcia, Robinson, Broner, Hearns, Louis, Lewis, Arguello, Zale etc etc.

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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    Thank you all for your posts. Your explanations help me understand the concepts from different perspectives, and your list of fighters help me study the meanings more in dept. It's the reason why I like two part questions so much.

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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    I like all styles of boxing from Tyson to Roy Jones and everyone in between. If they are quality fighters who know when to throw the right punch at the right time in the right area they are my favourites.

    Mike McCallum jab and body shots
    Terry Norris rapid punch combination and balance
    Chavez pressure and body shots
    Holyfield athleticism
    Tyson punching power
    Herol Grahams defensive skills

    But they have to be matched to someone that will be equally as exciting to make a good fight.
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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    The saying "styles make fights" is very self-serving. You use it if a fight you promote stinks and you are trying to explain why, or it comes out if a fight that was supposed to suck heats up.
    All, every single one, good fighters are counter-punchers. You cannot be good unless you counterpunch well. Some guys wait and counter, other guys push to draw leads they can counter off. Counterpunching is the trick when it comes to boxing.
    My favorite styles...Olivares against Lionel Rose...Most any fight with Buddy McGirt, Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike McCallum, Ricardo Lopez, or James toney. I like guys that counter well, punch good, and make a fight.
    I couldn't disagree more. The saying references the differences between fighters, and although there are certain tools that transcend style (be it a stiff jab, a counter-punch or head movement) different fighters use these tools in different ways.

    Yes, counter-punching is a universal strategy that is always utilized in some way, but to say that all good boxers employ the counter-punch in the same way is to lump together a number of very different styles. Both James Toney and Bernard Hopkins were exciting fighters in their prime, but I would say that Toney's style was based on the counter-punch, whereas it was a specialty within Hopkins' wide arsenal (not to say he didn't use it or it was unimportant).

    The aforementioned comparative example (counter-punching), could just as easily be Cotto's left hook or Ray Leonard's ring movement. The fact is that boxers, while all similar in some respects (due to a form of athletics honed for thousands of years), are also very different. These differences often dictate how a fight will play out. I believe that to be the essence of the statement.

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    Default Re: So...styles make fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBranMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    The saying "styles make fights" is very self-serving. You use it if a fight you promote stinks and you are trying to explain why, or it comes out if a fight that was supposed to suck heats up.
    All, every single one, good fighters are counter-punchers. You cannot be good unless you counterpunch well. Some guys wait and counter, other guys push to draw leads they can counter off. Counterpunching is the trick when it comes to boxing.
    My favorite styles...Olivares against Lionel Rose...Most any fight with Buddy McGirt, Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike McCallum, Ricardo Lopez, or James toney. I like guys that counter well, punch good, and make a fight.
    I couldn't disagree more. The saying references the differences between fighters, and although there are certain tools that transcend style (be it a stiff jab, a counter-punch or head movement) different fighters use these tools in different ways.

    Yes, counter-punching is a universal strategy that is always utilized in some way, but to say that all good boxers employ the counter-punch in the same way is to lump together a number of very different styles. Both James Toney and Bernard Hopkins were exciting fighters in their prime, but I would say that Toney's style was based on the counter-punch, whereas it was a specialty within Hopkins' wide arsenal (not to say he didn't use it or it was unimportant).

    The aforementioned comparative example (counter-punching), could just as easily be Cotto's left hook or Ray Leonard's ring movement. The fact is that boxers, while all similar in some respects (due to a form of athletics honed for thousands of years), are also very different. These differences often dictate how a fight will play out. I believe that to be the essence of the statement.
    But he's not dismissing the phrase he's essentially saying its over used. I think he's right but I also agree with you fundamentally. Clearly there have been and will be terrible style match ups.

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