If pac fought marquez after oscar...

[erics44]

Yes thats true but i dont want it to turn into a discredit/compare fighters history thread.

Im interested in your views if he fought marquez earlier then it certainly would have changed everything.

yeah i was being a cunt in my earlier post soz

didnt pac fight marquez at about that time?

i think pac was worthy of his two nil lead over marquez going into the last fight, i also think he would have won the last fight had it gone all the way

[erics44]

so to summarise i think barring a KO pac struggles with marquez but is slightly better over the distance and that would be the same at any point in their carears

what do you think?

[imp]

so to summarise i think barring a KO pac struggles with marquez but is slightly better over the distance and that would be the same at any point in their carears

what do you think?

I agree with that.
Marquez needs the ko all the time to win.

[erics44]

so to summarise i think barring a KO pac struggles with marquez but is slightly better over the distance and that would be the same at any point in their carears

what do you think?

I agree with that.
Marquez needs the ko all the time to win.

do you agree with the controversy of the 3rd fight?

i didnt see it live and from reading the press and forums after the fight it seemed pac had been gifted

[imp]

so to summarise i think barring a KO pac struggles with marquez but is slightly better over the distance and that would be the same at any point in their carears

what do you think?

I agree with that.
Marquez needs the ko all the time to win.

do you agree with the controversy of the 3rd fight?

i didnt see it live and from reading the press and forums after the fight it seemed pac had been gifted

I think they gave it to pac due to the aggression. It could have went either way if im being honest.

Whenever these guys fight its always close.

When they fought for the 3rd time pacs camp were so cocky as they were used to the weight and everything and they fought it would be so easy.

I even remember alex ariza saying something like even "God cant help marquez."

[Beanflicker]

It's amazing what one bad loss can do to a career. Before Marquez 3, people were talking about Pac like he was the new and improved Henry Armstrong, and he was a top 5 guy of all time, ect.

Now he's a guy who was overrated and chose convenient catch weights to ambush his opponents (and I'm not even saying that's entirely untrue.)

[ElTerribleMorales]

It's amazing what one bad loss can do to a career. Before Marquez 3, people were talking about Pac like he was the new and improved Henry Armstrong, and he was a top 5 guy of all time, ect.

Now he's a guy who was overrated and chose convenient catch weights to ambush his opponents (and I'm not even saying that's entirely untrue.)

I've been one of the few who had said it all along, I would give him the credit he deserved but wouldn't gush over him like if he was some God, Pacquiao would nit pick his opponents and always seek some "advantage" rather taking on an opponent on even terms, he only decided to take on Marquez in the 3rd fight because Floyd had taken him apart but won by decision so he figured since JMM was older he could get the stoppage and was completely schooled in the process, had a bad showing against Bradley then decided to take on Marquez again but again he paid dearly for it

[AdamGB]

It's amazing what one bad loss can do to a career. Before Marquez 3, people were talking about Pac like he was the new and improved Henry Armstrong, and he was a top 5 guy of all time, ect.

Now he's a guy who was overrated and chose convenient catch weights to ambush his opponents (and I'm not even saying that's entirely untrue.)

Several people said the latter.

[CFH]

It's amazing what one bad loss can do to a career. Before Marquez 3, people were talking about Pac like he was the new and improved Henry Armstrong, and he was a top 5 guy of all time, ect.

Now he's a guy who was overrated and chose convenient catch weights to ambush his opponents (and I'm not even saying that's entirely untrue.)

Both can be true. Pacquiao is an great fighter who has accomplished some very impressive things. However, since the ODH fight the cards have pretty much always been stacked in his favour. That doesn't mean what he managed to do isn't great, but it is the reality of the situation.

He could get KO'd 5 times in a row at this point and would still be an atg in my mind.

[erics44]

so to summarise i think barring a KO pac struggles with marquez but is slightly better over the distance and that would be the same at any point in their carears

what do you think?

I agree with that.
Marquez needs the ko all the time to win.

do you agree with the controversy of the 3rd fight?

i didnt see it live and from reading the press and forums after the fight it seemed pac had been gifted

I think they gave it to pac due to the aggression. It could have went either way if im being honest.

Whenever these guys fight its always close.

When they fought for the 3rd time pacs camp were so cocky as they were used to the weight and everything and they fought it would be so easy.

I even remember alex ariza saying something like even "God cant help marquez."

i watched it a couple of days after and thought pac deserved it on agression

perhaps marquez won a couple of rounds more clearly but i think pac won the majority

pacs camp seemed very confident this time too, i think the emphasis on getting the KO from his camp lost pac the fight

[Beanflicker]

i watched it a couple of days after and thought pac deserved it on agression

I hate when guys get the nod for aggression. Boxing is supposed to be the sweet science, the art of hitting without being hit. Effective aggressiveness is one thing, but if a guy is throwing and missing a lot, I don't think you should win the fight on that.

Marquez outfoxed him, plain and simple.

[imp]

Yes thats true but i dont want it to turn into a discredit/compare fighters history thread.

Im interested in your views if he fought marquez earlier then it certainly would have changed everything.

yeah i was being a cunt in my earlier post soz

didnt pac fight marquez at about that time?

i think pac was worthy of his two nil lead over marquez going into the last fight, i also think he would have won the last fight had it gone all the way

You wasnt being a c&nt at all fella,

All the fights were close apart from the 4th one.

Its just a shame the 3rd marquez fight wasnt a bit earlier.