Who is fighter of the year ?

[Spicoli]

Leo Santa Cruz. Five fights , three defenses. Just sayin.

Ok ok...Marquez

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Nonito Donaire without doubt.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Marquez is fucking 39 years old and jumped 2 weight divisions to lay out a guy who has dominated weight class after weight class, was a consensus P4P #2 and hasn't been knocked out since 1999. Marquez is fighter of the year. He just shocked the shit out of the boxing world. No debate is required here.

So you think one punch in a fight everyone had him behind in outshines what Santa Cruz or Donaire have done this year. I do not think so.

Donaire did what was expected. Arce doesn't have it anymore. Nishioka retired straight after and he only just won an SD. LSC has had a fantastic year, but who has he beaten? Beating Manny by KO was just stunning. He was only behind by 1 point on most people's scorecards. Say Manny had gotten up, he wouldn't have been behind anymore.

That's the argument for it. Marquez fought twice and only one opponent was ranked. He had fought Pacquiao three other times so this was his fourth shot at Pacquiao. Donaire fought four times this year, against new opponents. Donaire unified titles. Donaire was moving up in weight. Donaire had a stunning stoppage too, also in December, and beat the lineal champion of his new weight class by knockout as well. It's a close race, in which I vote Donaire.

Let me pose a question. If Marquez had only won on the cards, would you still feel this way? Or was it the stunning knockout that did it?

Here is from Bad Left Hook:

I know, I know: He was expected to win and he did, big whoop. Arce was tailor-made for him, big whoop. Here's the big whoop: When's the last time you saw anyone considered by everyone who keeps or doesn't keep or doesn't admit to keeping a P4P list (even just a mental one, only in the air and their brains, tucked away from the world's prying eyes and criticism) to be a top P4P fighter fight not just four times in one year, but against four fighters all ranked in the top ten, in a division that said fighter was not even a part of coming into the year? There is no argument about this, in my view. Nonito Donaire (31-1, 20 KO) is the 2012 Fighter of the Year.

Give me a break : Here is the Great Nonito / Arum farce in detail:
Vazquez: 2 wins and 2 losses in last four fights (including a KO to Arce) Promoted by Top Rank
Mathebula: Promoted by Arum , only 21 years old and 4 wins and 3 losses in last seven fights.
Nishioka: Befuddled by record . He looked like a tentative amateur. He is promoted by Top Rank in association with Teiken Promotions and Tecete
Arce : Was way too small in move up to fight Nonito . Promoted by Top Rank. I have seen this rerun already it's called Manny Pacquiao .....

No Rigo no Mares .. no award or BS P4P mention !!! He only deserves the "Top Rank fighter of the year" website award.
JMM, Santa Cruz, Guerrero or Broner in order. Pac would win this award if it was him that KTFO out of JMM, why the reversal ?

[Addicted to_boxing]

The only people that are legitimate contenders for fighter of the year are Juan Manuel Marquez, Danny Garcia, and Nonito Donaire. Assuming Donaire wins tonight, his activity has to make him the favorite. Add to it that he is the only boxer doing year-round, random drug testing, and it's hard not to root for the guy.

LOL ... Arum learning from his mistakes, has Nonito doing random drug testing with insight from Conte . lol what a joke..

Easy to drive fast when you know the track .....

Nonito has $$$$$ potential is all Arum sees :

Born in Phils, raised in Cali , trains and friends with an all Mexican stable , very personable !!!!! English, Spanish and Filipino following !

[Master]

Sergio Martinez became undisputed middleweight champion of the world.

[Silkeyjoe]

Marquez is fucking 39 years old and jumped 2 weight divisions to lay out a guy who has dominated weight class after weight class, was a consensus P4P #2 and hasn't been knocked out since 1999. Marquez is fighter of the year. He just shocked the shit out of the boxing world. No debate is required here.

So you think one punch in a fight everyone had him behind in outshines what Santa Cruz or Donaire have done this year. I do not think so.

Donaire did what was expected. Arce doesn't have it anymore. Nishioka retired straight after and he only just won an SD. LSC has had a fantastic year, but who has he beaten? Beating Manny by KO was just stunning. He was only behind by 1 point on most people's scorecards. Say Manny had gotten up, he wouldn't have been behind anymore.

That's the argument for it. Marquez fought twice and only one opponent was ranked. He had fought Pacquiao three other times so this was his fourth shot at Pacquiao. Donaire fought four times this year, against new opponents. Donaire unified titles. Donaire was moving up in weight. Donaire had a stunning stoppage too, also in December, and beat the lineal champion of his new weight class by knockout as well. It's a close race, in which I vote Donaire.

Let me pose a question. If Marquez had only won on the cards, would you still feel this way? Or was it the stunning knockout that did it?

Here is from Bad Left Hook:

I know, I know: He was expected to win and he did, big whoop. Arce was tailor-made for him, big whoop. Here's the big whoop: When's the last time you saw anyone considered by everyone who keeps or doesn't keep or doesn't admit to keeping a P4P list (even just a mental one, only in the air and their brains, tucked away from the world's prying eyes and criticism) to be a top P4P fighter fight not just four times in one year, but against four fighters all ranked in the top ten, in a division that said fighter was not even a part of coming into the year? There is no argument about this, in my view. Nonito Donaire (31-1, 20 KO) is the 2012 Fighter of the Year.

Give me a break : Here is the Great Nonito / Arum farce in detail:
Vazquez: 2 wins and 2 losses in last four fights (including a KO to Arce) Promoted by Top Rank
Mathebula: Promoted by Arum , only 21 years old and 4 wins and 3 losses in last seven fights.
Nishioka: Befuddled by record . He looked like a tentative amateur. He is promoted by Top Rank in association with Teiken Promotions and Tecete
Arce : Was way too small in move up to fight Nonito . Promoted by Top Rank. I have seen this rerun already it's called Manny Pacquiao .....

No Rigo no Mares .. no award or BS P4P mention !!! He only deserves the "Top Rank fighter of the year" website award.
JMM, Santa Cruz, Guerrero or Broner in order. Pac would win this award if it was him that KTFO out of JMM, why the reversal ?

I don't know how you can suggest JMM was fighter of the year. He landed a lucky punch and had one other fight against a bum. Also pacman clearly been on the decline for the last year.

For me it should be Martinez he had 2 fights against tough opposition. He looked better then ever against Chavez.

I don't give it to Donaire because he's clearly been ducking Rigondeaux and I'd wouldn't give it to Broner because hell probably get it next year when he beats Burns. Ward probably is the fighter of the year but with only 1 fight I'd doubt he gets it. If Froch gets it it would be a joke.

[mofo2]

Gotta go Brandon Rios...that kid is a tough fucker, he was in the fight of the year for me as well!

[Mo Frazier]

I think every fighter up there earned the mention. I'd go with Marquez, he deserves it the most imo. Ward as my close second

[Rantcatrat]

The only people that are legitimate contenders for fighter of the year are Juan Manuel Marquez, Danny Garcia, and Nonito Donaire. Assuming Donaire wins tonight, his activity has to make him the favorite. Add to it that he is the only boxer doing year-round, random drug testing, and it's hard not to root for the guy.

LOL ... Arum learning from his mistakes, has Nonito doing random drug testing with insight from Conte . lol what a joke..

Easy to drive fast when you know the track .....

Nonito has $$$$$ potential is all Arum sees :

Born in Phils, raised in Cali , trains and friends with an all Mexican stable , very personable !!!!! English, Spanish and Filipino following !

Is there any other boxer that is undergoing year-round random testing?

[BIG H]

I'm saying Ward, simply because I think only Mayweather is ahead of him p4p.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Thread says fighter not donor of the year. My apologies for not mentioning Ward

The only people that are legitimate contenders for fighter of the year are Juan Manuel Marquez, Danny Garcia, and Nonito Donaire. Assuming Donaire wins tonight, his activity has to make him the favorite. Add to it that he is the only boxer doing year-round, random drug testing, and it's hard not to root for the guy.

LOL ... Arum learning from his mistakes, has Nonito doing random drug testing with insight from Conte . lol what a joke..

Easy to drive fast when you know the track .....

Nonito has $$$$$ potential is all Arum sees :

Born in Phils, raised in Cali , trains and friends with an all Mexican stable , very personable !!!!! English, Spanish and Filipino following !

Is there any other boxer that is undergoing year-round random testing?

[Addicted to_boxing]

Martinez was 10 seconds away from being Manny Pacquiao yet your argument was he should be fighter of the year? Not sure why every one here that claims to know boxing keeps referring to the JMM KO as a lucky punch. He has hit PAC repeatedly with this same punch in all their fights. Only difference is JMM was resigned this time to take a
punch (beating) to land his as he knew he would have his opportunity

as in the past. Combine Pacs amateurish defensive skills and the
punch looks like the troll was assassinated. Poor fight plan terrible
defense. How has PAC declined? He really beat Bradley and apparent (lol) did enough to beat JMM. The minute Money started PEDgate the KO's ceased. Ironic if you ask me and poetic justice not a lucky punch. Look at my previous threads and I predicted a KO. I just did not expect it to be so lethal ......... So F-king comical. Sunday funnies are indeed printed Saturday night. Records do not come with footnotes.


QUOTE=Silkeyjoe;1121823]

Marquez is fucking 39 years old and jumped 2 weight divisions to lay out a guy who has dominated weight class after weight class, was a consensus P4P #2 and hasn't been knocked out since 1999. Marquez is fighter of the year. He just shocked the shit out of the boxing world. No debate is required here.

So you think one punch in a fight everyone had him behind in outshines what Santa Cruz or Donaire have done this year. I do not think so.

Donaire did what was expected. Arce doesn't have it anymore. Nishioka retired straight after and he only just won an SD. LSC has had a fantastic year, but who has he beaten? Beating Manny by KO was just stunning. He was only behind by 1 point on most people's scorecards. Say Manny had gotten up, he wouldn't have been behind anymore.

That's the argument for it. Marquez fought twice and only one opponent was ranked. He had fought Pacquiao three other times so this was his fourth shot at Pacquiao. Donaire fought four times this year, against new opponents. Donaire unified titles. Donaire was moving up in weight. Donaire had a stunning stoppage too, also in December, and beat the lineal champion of his new weight class by knockout as well. It's a close race, in which I vote Donaire.

Let me pose a question. If Marquez had only won on the cards, would you still feel this way? Or was it the stunning knockout that did it?

Here is from Bad Left Hook:

I know, I know: He was expected to win and he did, big whoop. Arce was tailor-made for him, big whoop. Here's the big whoop: When's the last time you saw anyone considered by everyone who keeps or doesn't keep or doesn't admit to keeping a P4P list (even just a mental one, only in the air and their brains, tucked away from the world's prying eyes and criticism) to be a top P4P fighter fight not just four times in one year, but against four fighters all ranked in the top ten, in a division that said fighter was not even a part of coming into the year? There is no argument about this, in my view. Nonito Donaire (31-1, 20 KO) is the 2012 Fighter of the Year.

Give me a break : Here is the Great Nonito / Arum farce in detail:
Vazquez: 2 wins and 2 losses in last four fights (including a KO to Arce) Promoted by Top Rank
Mathebula: Promoted by Arum , only 21 years old and 4 wins and 3 losses in last seven fights.
Nishioka: Befuddled by record . He looked like a tentative amateur. He is promoted by Top Rank in association with Teiken Promotions and Tecete
Arce : Was way too small in move up to fight Nonito . Promoted by Top Rank. I have seen this rerun already it's called Manny Pacquiao .....

No Rigo no Mares .. no award or BS P4P mention !!! He only deserves the "Top Rank fighter of the year" website award.
JMM, Santa Cruz, Guerrero or Broner in order. Pac would win this award if it was him that KTFO out of JMM, why the reversal ?

I don't know how you can suggest JMM was fighter of the year. He landed a lucky punch and had one other fight against a bum. Also pacman clearly been on the decline for the last year.

For me it should be Martinez he had 2 fights against tough opposition. He looked better then ever against Chavez.

I don't give it to Donaire because he's clearly been ducking Rigondeaux and I'd wouldn't give it to Broner because hell probably get it next year when he beats Burns. Ward probably is the fighter of the year but with only 1 fight I'd doubt he gets it. If Froch gets it it would be a joke.[/QUOTE]

[Addicted to_boxing]

Funny how PAC made his fame beating faded fighters with Marquee names / resumes. Now he gets KO worse then he ever KO anyone out and he is faded. This sight is full of pathetic part time boxing fans. I really thought this was a boxing site it's a BS social media site for bandwagon PAC fans surprised there are not hyperlinks to Pacs website and a nose slot for nose insertion into Pacs ass.


QUOTE=ruthless rocco;1120212]

One spectacular ko win against a faded former p4p champ makes you fighter of the year?

I can't agree.

@ruthless rocco
WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! WHOA!

Wait a fckn minute!!!!


When did exactly did Pac become "a faded" former P4P champ?

Officially yes he lost to Bradley.
General sensus is he beat him one sidedly. Possibly only losing 3/4 rouds if you were generous to Bradley.


You are the first person which I read this comment from.
Please enlighten me when and where he started fading.
Cuz prior to Bradley he was on 15 fight winning streak. (Regardless how one saw the actual result of fights vs. JMM)

Pac hasn't looked the same since his fight with margarito in 2010. He's looked lack luster in his fights since... Decisioning Mosely who was a 40 year old former PED user & well past his prime. Manny connected with more than 8 times as many power punches and didn't finish Mosely! Barely beating Bradley and using leg cramps as an explanation for his poor movement and lack of power. The less than stellar showing against JMM in the third fight, which most fight fans believe he lost.

I've read that many people saw manny pulling away in the fourth JMM fight, but anyone with eyes and who isn't blinded by Pac's fairy tale story should have been able to see that his classic in-out movement wasn't there. His speed wasn't there. Yes he hit JMM and busted up his face, but Marquez was waiting for that one right hand to land.

Here are some links:
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ycn-10438851
http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/3/30/2913278/pacquiao-vs-bradley-freddie-roach-manny-distracted-Juan-Manuel-marquez-next-fight-boxing-news
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/weblog/news.php?p=32332&more=1
http://uk.fighthype.com/pacquiao-is-not-fading-and-did-mayweather-silence-his-critics/
http://theboxingoracle.com/articles/manny-pacquiao-demystified--2[/QUOTE]

[Silkeyjoe]

Martinez was 10 seconds away from being Manny Pacquiao yet your argument was he should be fighter of the year? Not sure why every one here that claims to know boxing keeps referring to the JMM KO as a lucky punch. He has hit PAC repeatedly with this same punch in all their fights. Only difference is JMM was resigned this time to take a
punch (beating) to land his as he knew he would have his opportunity

as in the past. Combine Pacs amateurish defensive skills and the
punch looks like the troll was assassinated. Poor fight plan terrible
defense. How has PAC declined? He really beat Bradley and apparent (lol) did enough to beat JMM. The minute Money started PEDgate the KO's ceased. Ironic if you ask me and poetic justice not a lucky punch. Look at my previous threads and I predicted a KO. I just did not expect it to be so lethal ......... So F-king comical. Sunday funnies are indeed printed Saturday night. Records do not come with footnotes.


QUOTE=Silkeyjoe;1121823]

Marquez is fucking 39 years old and jumped 2 weight divisions to lay out a guy who has dominated weight class after weight class, was a consensus P4P #2 and hasn't been knocked out since 1999. Marquez is fighter of the year. He just shocked the shit out of the boxing world. No debate is required here.

So you think one punch in a fight everyone had him behind in outshines what Santa Cruz or Donaire have done this year. I do not think so.

Donaire did what was expected. Arce doesn't have it anymore. Nishioka retired straight after and he only just won an SD. LSC has had a fantastic year, but who has he beaten? Beating Manny by KO was just stunning. He was only behind by 1 point on most people's scorecards. Say Manny had gotten up, he wouldn't have been behind anymore.

That's the argument for it. Marquez fought twice and only one opponent was ranked. He had fought Pacquiao three other times so this was his fourth shot at Pacquiao. Donaire fought four times this year, against new opponents. Donaire unified titles. Donaire was moving up in weight. Donaire had a stunning stoppage too, also in December, and beat the lineal champion of his new weight class by knockout as well. It's a close race, in which I vote Donaire.

Let me pose a question. If Marquez had only won on the cards, would you still feel this way? Or was it the stunning knockout that did it?

Here is from Bad Left Hook:

I know, I know: He was expected to win and he did, big whoop. Arce was tailor-made for him, big whoop. Here's the big whoop: When's the last time you saw anyone considered by everyone who keeps or doesn't keep or doesn't admit to keeping a P4P list (even just a mental one, only in the air and their brains, tucked away from the world's prying eyes and criticism) to be a top P4P fighter fight not just four times in one year, but against four fighters all ranked in the top ten, in a division that said fighter was not even a part of coming into the year? There is no argument about this, in my view. Nonito Donaire (31-1, 20 KO) is the 2012 Fighter of the Year.

Give me a break : Here is the Great Nonito / Arum farce in detail:
Vazquez: 2 wins and 2 losses in last four fights (including a KO to Arce) Promoted by Top Rank
Mathebula: Promoted by Arum , only 21 years old and 4 wins and 3 losses in last seven fights.
Nishioka: Befuddled by record . He looked like a tentative amateur. He is promoted by Top Rank in association with Teiken Promotions and Tecete
Arce : Was way too small in move up to fight Nonito . Promoted by Top Rank. I have seen this rerun already it's called Manny Pacquiao .....

No Rigo no Mares .. no award or BS P4P mention !!! He only deserves the "Top Rank fighter of the year" website award.
JMM, Santa Cruz, Guerrero or Broner in order. Pac would win this award if it was him that KTFO out of JMM, why the reversal ?

I don't know how you can suggest JMM was fighter of the year. He landed a lucky punch and had one other fight against a bum. Also pacman clearly been on the decline for the last year.

For me it should be Martinez he had 2 fights against tough opposition. He looked better then ever against Chavez.

I don't give it to Donaire because he's clearly been ducking Rigondeaux and I'd wouldn't give it to Broner because hell probably get it next year when he beats Burns. Ward probably is the fighter of the year but with only 1 fight I'd doubt he gets it. If Froch gets it it would be a joke.

[/QUOTE]


How has PAC been on the decline? Because he hasn't the heart for it anymore. Preoccupied with things outside the ring. Regardless of whether he won or lost his fights he clearly hasn't been performing as well as he has in the past.

And when I say lucky punch I mean he could have thrown that same punch 20 other times and not landed so flush.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Martinez was 10 seconds away from being Manny Pacquiao yet your argument was he should be fighter of the year? Not sure why every one here that claims to know boxing keeps referring to the JMM KO as a lucky punch. He has hit PAC repeatedly with this same punch in all their fights. Only difference is JMM was resigned this time to take a
punch (beating) to land his as he knew he would have his opportunity

as in the past. Combine Pacs amateurish defensive skills and the
punch looks like the troll was assassinated. Poor fight plan terrible
defense. How has PAC declined? He really beat Bradley and apparent (lol) did enough to beat JMM. The minute Money started PEDgate the KO's ceased. Ironic if you ask me and poetic justice not a lucky punch. Look at my previous threads and I predicted a KO. I just did not expect it to be so lethal ......... So F-king comical. Sunday funnies are indeed printed Saturday night. Records do not come with footnotes.


QUOTE=Silkeyjoe;1121823]

Marquez is fucking 39 years old and jumped 2 weight divisions to lay out a guy who has dominated weight class after weight class, was a consensus P4P #2 and hasn't been knocked out since 1999. Marquez is fighter of the year. He just shocked the shit out of the boxing world. No debate is required here.

So you think one punch in a fight everyone had him behind in outshines what Santa Cruz or Donaire have done this year. I do not think so.

Donaire did what was expected. Arce doesn't have it anymore. Nishioka retired straight after and he only just won an SD. LSC has had a fantastic year, but who has he beaten? Beating Manny by KO was just stunning. He was only behind by 1 point on most people's scorecards. Say Manny had gotten up, he wouldn't have been behind anymore.

That's the argument for it. Marquez fought twice and only one opponent was ranked. He had fought Pacquiao three other times so this was his fourth shot at Pacquiao. Donaire fought four times this year, against new opponents. Donaire unified titles. Donaire was moving up in weight. Donaire had a stunning stoppage too, also in December, and beat the lineal champion of his new weight class by knockout as well. It's a close race, in which I vote Donaire.

Let me pose a question. If Marquez had only won on the cards, would you still feel this way? Or was it the stunning knockout that did it?

Here is from Bad Left Hook:

I know, I know: He was expected to win and he did, big whoop. Arce was tailor-made for him, big whoop. Here's the big whoop: When's the last time you saw anyone considered by everyone who keeps or doesn't keep or doesn't admit to keeping a P4P list (even just a mental one, only in the air and their brains, tucked away from the world's prying eyes and criticism) to be a top P4P fighter fight not just four times in one year, but against four fighters all ranked in the top ten, in a division that said fighter was not even a part of coming into the year? There is no argument about this, in my view. Nonito Donaire (31-1, 20 KO) is the 2012 Fighter of the Year.

Give me a break : Here is the Great Nonito / Arum farce in detail:
Vazquez: 2 wins and 2 losses in last four fights (including a KO to Arce) Promoted by Top Rank
Mathebula: Promoted by Arum , only 21 years old and 4 wins and 3 losses in last seven fights.
Nishioka: Befuddled by record . He looked like a tentative amateur. He is promoted by Top Rank in association with Teiken Promotions and Tecete
Arce : Was way too small in move up to fight Nonito . Promoted by Top Rank. I have seen this rerun already it's called Manny Pacquiao .....

No Rigo no Mares .. no award or BS P4P mention !!! He only deserves the "Top Rank fighter of the year" website award.
JMM, Santa Cruz, Guerrero or Broner in order. Pac would win this award if it was him that KTFO out of JMM, why the reversal ?

I don't know how you can suggest JMM was fighter of the year. He landed a lucky punch and had one other fight against a bum. Also pacman clearly been on the decline for the last year.

For me it should be Martinez he had 2 fights against tough opposition. He looked better then ever against Chavez.

I don't give it to Donaire because he's clearly been ducking Rigondeaux and I'd wouldn't give it to Broner because hell probably get it next year when he beats Burns. Ward probably is the fighter of the year but with only 1 fight I'd doubt he gets it. If Froch gets it it would be a joke.

How has PAC been on the decline? Because he hasn't the heart for it anymore. Preoccupied with things outside the ring. Regardless of whether he won or lost his fights he clearly hasn't been performing as well as he has in the past.

And when I say lucky punch I mean he could have thrown that same punch 20 other times and not landed so flush.[/QUOTE]

Ok so what you are saying is JMM beat Pac in all their previous fights as Pac just landed lucky / flush knockdown punches. JMM has won most the rounds out boxing Pac and this last fight he beat him at his own fight. Hell why not say all of Pacs fights were attributed to lucky / flush punches. This is how ridiculous your comment is.