I think Marciano would eventually find Ali over 15 rounds

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In 1966 Ali fought George Chuvalo and won a unanimous decision. Despite the scores he had a lot of trouble with Chuvalo, who has maintained since that he would have won had the judges scored body punches (he also said the saying you were in a close fight with Ali is like spitting on the Pope; sacrilegious.) At the time many thought that Chuvalo had drawn the blueprint for how to beat Ali.
If a prime Ali had a hard night with George Chuvalo, Marciano would have taken him to hell.

The only thing Chuvalo did with any consistency to Ali was hit him with kidney punches in the clinch (which I heard made Ali piss blood for a week).

I love George and he certainly was a bruiser and caused Ali a lot of pain and discomfort, I don't think he came close to beating Ali, and if people at the time thought he had drawn the blueprint to beat Ali, I think that sentiment was probably based moreso in the public's distaste for Ali at the time than it was in any real logic.

Chuvalo had probably the best chin in HW history too IMO

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Ali gave Marciano a good chance though
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[Master]

Brock you are sounding like that prat poster Philosopher with fighting little sections where Ali was hit or hurt. I could do the same with Rocky if I looked hard enough in one fight and had the spare time you have.

[brocktonblockbust]

Brock you are sounding like that prat poster Philosopher with fighting little sections where Ali was hit or hurt. I could do the same with Rocky if I looked hard enough in one fight and had the spare time you have.

joke is on you Master me and Philosopher are the same person.... psych just kidding.

Master did you listen carefully to Ali?

As for Rocky being hit or hurt yes he absolutely WAS hit and hurt. But never had his skull rocked off by 50 left hooks in one single fight like Frazier did to Ali on March 8, 1971. Oh no Master, youll never see that happen to Rocky.

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In 1966 Ali fought George Chuvalo and won a unanimous decision. Despite the scores he had a lot of trouble with Chuvalo, who has maintained since that he would have won had the judges scored body punches (he also said the saying you were in a close fight with Ali is like spitting on the Pope; sacrilegious.) At the time many thought that Chuvalo had drawn the blueprint for how to beat Ali.
If a prime Ali had a hard night with George Chuvalo, Marciano would have taken him to hell.

The only thing Chuvalo did with any consistency to Ali was hit him with kidney punches in the clinch (which I heard made Ali piss blood for a week).

I love George and he certainly was a bruiser and caused Ali a lot of pain and discomfort, I don't think he came close to beating Ali, and if people at the time thought he had drawn the blueprint to beat Ali, I think that sentiment was probably based moreso in the public's distaste for Ali at the time than it was in any real logic.

Chuvalo had probably the best chin in HW history too IMO

The thought was that the way to beat Ali was with pressure, staying on top of him and punching to the body. Ali certainly took a lot of body punches in many fights: He could pull his head away very quickly but not his body. And in close he didn't keep his elbows in tight to protect his ribs (until Zaire), preferring to grab his opponent around the head and pull them down.
Ali was far far from a perfect fighter. Once Marciano got close ( and he would, because he'd make Ali move into him to land his jab) Ali would have problems with his activity and those punches would slow him down.

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Ali was far far from a perfect fighter. Once Marciano got close ( and he would, because he'd make Ali move into him to land his jab) Ali would have problems with his activity and those punches would slow him down.

That could be true. I wouldn't count Marciano out of that one.

Actually I give Marciano a much better chance of beating Ali than I would of him beating the big bombers who came after him (Liston, Foreman, ect).