David Haye - Retiring?

[Master]

I hope Vitali flattens him.

lol he's cowering away and making excuses presently

if he doesn't then it will be recorded in the annals of boxing history that Vitali Klitschko DUCKED a guy, who according to him (or his brother, I can't remember who said this) "isn't a real heavyweight."

the thing is (as you have brought ducking into it) why wont a vital and his camp agree to fight haye?

they wont make more money anywhere else

why train for 3 months to make half as much?

I can only come to one of 2 conclusions

1 they really dont like haye so they wont give him the chance
2 the are worried they will lose

They probably do hate him, to the extent that they do not want him to get any opportunity to make money out of them.

[boyla]

Haye needs Vitali.

Both Klitskos do not need Haye.

Haye has no intention of fighting anyone unless he gets a title shot.
Which he does not deserve, he was out of his depth with Wlad, and is pinning his hopes on facing a fading Vitali who is actually on the verge of retirement.

Instead of fighting other heavyweights, his strategy is to try talking his way into a fight with Vitali.

Just because you refuse to fight other contenders does not catapult you into fight with Vitali.
Why doesn't Haye call out Wlad for a re-match, because he is scared just like when he hurt his toe.

[erics44]

Haye needs Vitali.

Both Klitskos do not need Haye.

Haye has no intention of fighting anyone unless he gets a title shot.
Which he does not deserve, he was out of his depth with Wlad, and is pinning his hopes on facing a fading Vitali who is actually on the verge of retirement.

Instead of fighting other heavyweights, his strategy is to try talking his way into a fight with Vitali.

Just because you refuse to fight other contenders does not catapult you into fight with Vitali.
Why doesn't Haye call out Wlad for a re-match, because he is scared just like when he hurt his toe.

both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)

they dont need him becauser they are loaded already and dont need the money

they would do a lot better fighting him tho

[boyla]

Career wise, Wlad gains nothing by beating haye again.

Vitali's record is not going to be in dispute if he does not face haye.

Last time around Haye had a strap(3rd rate belt), he does not have that luxury of a bargaining chip this time around.
Smug, cocky Haye does not sell a fight as well after his no show against Wlad.

You could argue Vitali fighting Price would net as much cash as a fight with Haye.

Fighting Wlad's older brother because he got resoundingly beaten by Wlad is not as enticing as a unification bout.

After Haye stint in the Jungle he can hardly be called a credible opponent for either fighter.

[mrbig1]

Haye needs Vitali.

Both Klitskos do not need Haye.

Haye has no intention of fighting anyone unless he gets a title shot.
Which he does not deserve, he was out of his depth with Wlad, and is pinning his hopes on facing a fading Vitali who is actually on the verge of retirement.

Instead of fighting other heavyweights, his strategy is to try talking his way into a fight with Vitali.

Just because you refuse to fight other contenders does not catapult you into fight with Vitali.
Why doesn't Haye call out Wlad for a re-match, because he is scared just like when he hurt his toe.

both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)

they dont need him becauser they are loaded already and dont need the money

they would do a lot better fighting him tho

Agree 100%. Plus Vitali best years are behind him. He wants as many hand picked bums as can get.

[Bobthepen]

Haye needs Vitali.

Both Klitskos do not need Haye.

Haye has no intention of fighting anyone unless he gets a title shot.
Which he does not deserve, he was out of his depth with Wlad, and is pinning his hopes on facing a fading Vitali who is actually on the verge of retirement.

Instead of fighting other heavyweights, his strategy is to try talking his way into a fight with Vitali.

Just because you refuse to fight other contenders does not catapult you into fight with Vitali.
Why doesn't Haye call out Wlad for a re-match, because he is scared just like when he hurt his toe.

both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)

From where? They sellout arenas fighting anybody in Germany, and aren't on PPV, so where will their extra money come from?

[palmerq]

Haye needs Vitali.

Both Klitskos do not need Haye.

Haye has no intention of fighting anyone unless he gets a title shot.
Which he does not deserve, he was out of his depth with Wlad, and is pinning his hopes on facing a fading Vitali who is actually on the verge of retirement.

Instead of fighting other heavyweights, his strategy is to try talking his way into a fight with Vitali.

Just because you refuse to fight other contenders does not catapult you into fight with Vitali.
Why doesn't Haye call out Wlad for a re-match, because he is scared just like when he hurt his toe.

both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)

From where? They sellout arenas fighting anybody in Germany, and aren't on PPV, so where will their extra money come from?

setanta :S..........


yeah klitschko dont need haye at all.. esecially since wladimir beat him so easily it's not going to make them much more money than they would get anyway and haye would possibly demand a bigger cut than other klitschko opponents so i doubt taking haye on just now would be that big of a deal to the klitschkos... also it wont do anything for vitalis legacy as if he wins he will just have beaten a guy who lost easily to his younger brother and then won one fight .. :S haye hasnt done enough since losing to wlad to make the fight worthwhile

if haye wants to make the fight happen he should take on some contenders and get famous on american tv... the klitschkos would love a big fight in america i think

[Fenster]

Haye needs Vitali.

Both Klitskos do not need Haye.

Haye has no intention of fighting anyone unless he gets a title shot.
Which he does not deserve, he was out of his depth with Wlad, and is pinning his hopes on facing a fading Vitali who is actually on the verge of retirement.

Instead of fighting other heavyweights, his strategy is to try talking his way into a fight with Vitali.

Just because you refuse to fight other contenders does not catapult you into fight with Vitali.
Why doesn't Haye call out Wlad for a re-match, because he is scared just like when he hurt his toe.

both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)

From where? They sellout arenas fighting anybody in Germany, and aren't on PPV, so where will their extra money come from?

From Haye's massive pot.

Haye brings a massive UK fanbase. For the Wlad fight - Haye brought the PPV from the UK (where all the money is). Plus HBO from America and around 150 countries bought the fight. It was the highest watched Klitschko fight ever on German TV.

They split around £30 million quid (Klitschko's biggest ever payday by a million miles).

[AdamGB]

If Haye had had a fight or two since stopping Chisora then he may have found himself in a manditory position.

Instead he thinks he can fuck about with celebrity TV and fitness DVDs and that not getting KO'd by Wlad and holding the WBA belts now years ago make a strong enough case.

[Fenster]

Haye being mandatory wouldn't have made a difference to this fight. He's already rated by the WBC so they'd accept Vitali-Haye over ANYTHING (bigger the fight, bigger the fees and publicity for shitty alphabet).