David Haye - Retiring?

[Rantcatrat]

I hope Vitali flattens him.

lol he's cowering away and making excuses presently

if he doesn't then it will be recorded in the annals of boxing history that Vitali Klitschko DUCKED a guy, who according to him (or his brother, I can't remember who said this) "isn't a real heavyweight."

the thing is (as you have brought ducking into it) why wont a vital and his camp agree to fight haye?

they wont make more money anywhere else

why train for 3 months to make half as much?

I can only come to one of 2 conclusions

1 they really dont like haye so they wont give him the chance
2 the are worried they will lose

why won't Haye fight another top heavyweight when he could fight two top heavyweights and make the same amount of money he would make against Vitali? don't you want to see him in against a Pulev, Adamek, Price, Fury, Chambers etc.?

[Beanz]

I hope Vitali flattens him.

lol he's cowering away and making excuses presently

if he doesn't then it will be recorded in the annals of boxing history that Vitali Klitschko DUCKED a guy, who according to him (or his brother, I can't remember who said this) "isn't a real heavyweight."

the thing is (as you have brought ducking into it) why wont a vital and his camp agree to fight haye?

they wont make more money anywhere else

why train for 3 months to make half as much?

I can only come to one of 2 conclusions

1 they really dont like haye so they wont give him the chance
2 the are worried they will lose

why won't Haye fight another top heavyweight when he could fight two top heavyweights and make the same amount of money he would make against Vitali? don't you want to see him in against a Pulev, Adamek, Price, Fury, Chambers etc.?

I would like to see it but it won't happen because of Hayes Ego. He would muller everyone mentioned except Price who could probably knock out Godzilla, King Kong and Bonnie Langford all in the same night.

[TysonBomb]

Honestly Vitali doesn't seem to be completely dedicated and focused on the sport ... I think he wants maybe 1 or 2 more fights and wants to retire on top. Ironically he's heading towards the same exit from the sport as his "rival" Lennox Lewis ... Klitschko fans have for nearly a decade continued to berate and blast Lewis for "running into retirement" in "fear" of a rematch against Vitali. Who would've imagined that Vitali would be going out in the same fashion ... by refusing a fight with David Haye ... someone that he verbally agreed to fight. So does that mean that both Vitali Klitschko and Lennox Lewis "ducked" their way into retirement?

[Master]

Honestly Vitali doesn't seem to be completely dedicated and focused on the sport ... I think he wants maybe 1 or 2 more fights and wants to retire on top. Ironically he's heading towards the same exit from the sport as his "rival" Lennox Lewis ... Klitschko fans have for nearly a decade continued to berate and blast Lewis for "running into retirement" in "fear" of a rematch against Vitali. Who would've imagined that Vitali would be going out in the same fashion ... by refusing a fight with David Haye ... someone that he verbally agreed to fight. So does that mean that both Vitali Klitschko and Lennox Lewis "ducked" their way into retirement?

Both cases are no, Lewis busted up Vitali and won. End of story.
Vitali does not need Haye who is pure hype and exposed by Wlad. The end.

[TysonBomb]

Honestly Vitali doesn't seem to be completely dedicated and focused on the sport ... I think he wants maybe 1 or 2 more fights and wants to retire on top. Ironically he's heading towards the same exit from the sport as his "rival" Lennox Lewis ... Klitschko fans have for nearly a decade continued to berate and blast Lewis for "running into retirement" in "fear" of a rematch against Vitali. Who would've imagined that Vitali would be going out in the same fashion ... by refusing a fight with David Haye ... someone that he verbally agreed to fight. So does that mean that both Vitali Klitschko and Lennox Lewis "ducked" their way into retirement?

Both cases are no, Lewis busted up Vitali and won. End of story.
Vitali does not need Haye who is pure hype and exposed by Wlad. The end.

Nope Haye had an injured toe

I think in both cases the respective champions should take on the challenger and keep up with the tradition of the "young tiger vs the old lion".

Lewis should've fought Vitali again in a rematch ... he said that if the money was right he'd do it ... a rematch with Vitali would've generated huge revenues and the projected purses for either fighter would have been big. It would have been one of the most lucrative fights in either fighters career. There hasn't been a truly "great" heavyweight bout since then.

Yeah Lewis "won" the fight but it was on a technicality ... I don't believe in "lucky punches" or "lucky cuts" (especially when the guy with the cuts looks like half his face is torn off) but Vitali was ahead on all scorecards and Lewis was dead tired. Lennox did the smart thing by retiring and not risking another fight with a prime Vitali Klitschko but to many, it looks like he ducked him into retirement. Granted he was aging at the time but this was just one year after he came off pounding his chest when he beat Tyson. And Lennox himself states that he was a rather "late bloomer" and took his time in developing and maturing as a boxer, so he wasn't that old. Plus I've seen him state in interviews that he beat Vitali at "his worst" ... so why not get in shape and fight him again to settle the score?? Wouldn't it have been "easy money" to fight him again and another big name on your resume? Makes no sense not to fight unless you don't think you can beat him.

Not taking the rematch didn't do his legacy any favors, but it didn't do it any harm either since he went out on top and handed a prime Vitali a L on his record. Honestly that win over Klitschko is probably one of the best wins if not the best on his resume.

As for Haye I think Vitali should just fight him mostly because of two reasons ... the first being that he made a verbal agreement to fight him and so for the sake of integrity he should fight him. The second reason being that beating Haye would be a statement win for him. There is no one else in this division that has as much drawing power or is as big of a name as David Haye. If he beats him convincingly and retires it would be a potential "storybook ending" for him ... his resume is not that special right now and putting Haye on there would help it out.

In both cases the potential matchups are the best available. L. Lewis vs. V. Klitschko II would have been the best fight for that time and for now D. Haye vs. V. Klitschko is the best possible contest. Just my opinion but I'd think that man would agree.

[Rantcatrat]

It's a shame that we don't get to see Haye versus Arreola, Pulev, Adamek, or any other top ten heavyweight.

[Master]

Honestly Vitali doesn't seem to be completely dedicated and focused on the sport ... I think he wants maybe 1 or 2 more fights and wants to retire on top. Ironically he's heading towards the same exit from the sport as his "rival" Lennox Lewis ... Klitschko fans have for nearly a decade continued to berate and blast Lewis for "running into retirement" in "fear" of a rematch against Vitali. Who would've imagined that Vitali would be going out in the same fashion ... by refusing a fight with David Haye ... someone that he verbally agreed to fight. So does that mean that both Vitali Klitschko and Lennox Lewis "ducked" their way into retirement?

Both cases are no, Lewis busted up Vitali and won. End of story.
Vitali does not need Haye who is pure hype and exposed by Wlad. The end.

Nope Haye had an injured toe

I think in both cases the respective champions should take on the challenger and keep up with the tradition of the "young tiger vs the old lion".

Lewis should've fought Vitali again in a rematch ... he said that if the money was right he'd do it ... a rematch with Vitali would've generated huge revenues and the projected purses for either fighter would have been big. It would have been one of the most lucrative fights in either fighters career. There hasn't been a truly "great" heavyweight bout since then.

Yeah Lewis "won" the fight but it was on a technicality ... I don't believe in "lucky punches" or "lucky cuts" (especially when the guy with the cuts looks like half his face is torn off) but Vitali was ahead on all scorecards and Lewis was dead tired. Lennox did the smart thing by retiring and not risking another fight with a prime Vitali Klitschko but to many, it looks like he ducked him into retirement. Granted he was aging at the time but this was just one year after he came off pounding his chest when he beat Tyson. And Lennox himself states that he was a rather "late bloomer" and took his time in developing and maturing as a boxer, so he wasn't that old. Plus I've seen him state in interviews that he beat Vitali at "his worst" ... so why not get in shape and fight him again to settle the score?? Wouldn't it have been "easy money" to fight him again and another big name on your resume? Makes no sense not to fight unless you don't think you can beat him.

Not taking the rematch didn't do his legacy any favors, but it didn't do it any harm either since he went out on top and handed a prime Vitali a L on his record. Honestly that win over Klitschko is probably one of the best wins if not the best on his resume.

As for Haye I think Vitali should just fight him mostly because of two reasons ... the first being that he made a verbal agreement to fight him and so for the sake of integrity he should fight him. The second reason being that beating Haye would be a statement win for him. There is no one else in this division that has as much drawing power or is as big of a name as David Haye. If he beats him convincingly and retires it would be a potential "storybook ending" for him ... his resume is not that special right now and putting Haye on there would help it out.

In both cases the potential matchups are the best available. L. Lewis vs. V. Klitschko II would have been the best fight for that time and for now D. Haye vs. V. Klitschko is the best possible contest. Just my opinion but I'd think that man would agree.

If Lewis could make money against Vitali he may have taken it, but Vitali was not an established fighter then to generate the money he could do now. He did try to entice Lewis out of retirement after he became the dominant champion but Lewis wisely left it.