Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time heavyweights?

[brocktonblockbust]

Let's talk about it. Who ranks above Wlad? Clearly, Louis, Ali, Dempsey, Foreman, Holmes, Marciano, Frazier, Lewis, Holmes, Johnson,

Its an odd thing these rankings all time.It may not be popular but I have always felt that Foreman, Marciano and Holmes have been overrated and that guys like McVey, Young, Lanford and Wills have been underrated if not down right ignored.

its a never ending pleasure to debate it though. Langford was surely underrated as was O Sullivan. Talk about underrated James J Braddock and how about Gene Tunney.
Marciano overrated is tough because he never lost so how else can you measure him?

[BIG H]

Too hard to judge, as we have no idea how good he is, because his best opponent is Sam Peter. Regardless of what he has done since, it's hard to have a guy top 10 that lost to Ross Purity, Lamont Brewster and Corrie Sanders (especially the manner of the losses)

He could be one of the greatest ever, but (through no fault of his own,) he has not been able to prove it by fighting any fighter that the top 50 heavyweights of all time would not also have beaten!!

[erics44]

wlad is the most boring HW champ of all time in and out of the ring, boring defensive style, takes no risks boring voice, killer of HW boxing

however, id say he beats all but lewis and it would be a close fight him and his brother in their primes

[BIG H]

wlad is the most boring HW champ of all time in and out of the ring, boring defensive style, takes no risks boring voice, killer of HW boxing

however, id say he beats all but lewis and it would be a close fight him and his brother in their primes

and Purity and Sanders and Brewster

[Gandalf]

Holding is an offence and nobody docks points.

Wladimir is crap and is rated nowhere, because he is crap.

[erics44]

Holding is an offence and nobody docks points.

Wladimir is crap and is rated nowhere, because he is crap.

i agree with this, if the rules were applied properly then perhaps we would have a different HW champ, but you cant really base your assessment on the fact that is could be viewed that he cheats

Other fighters would suffer too, devon alexander andre ward to name a couple

[Freedom]

Holding is an offence and nobody docks points.

Wladimir is crap and is rated nowhere, because he is crap.

You must really hate B-Hop and Andre Ward, because they hold a lot more than Wlad does.

[Gandalf]

Holding is an offence and nobody docks points.

Wladimir is crap and is rated nowhere, because he is crap.

You must really hate B-Hop and Andre Ward, because they hold a lot more than Wlad does.

Yes

[erics44]

wlad is the most boring HW champ of all time in and out of the ring, boring defensive style, takes no risks boring voice, killer of HW boxing

however, id say he beats all but lewis and it would be a close fight him and his brother in their primes

and Purity and Sanders and Brewster

mate things are very different now

you cant compare the wlad that lost those fights with the wlad of today

[Master]

Wlad is in the top 20 but he is still going and by the end he could reach top 10 if not higher should he remain undefeated.

I believe his brother is better than him at his best but because of injuries and age he is not the force he was.

[TitoFan]

I was torn between 10-15 and 16-20, but I honestly cannot name 15 better HWs, so I voted for the former. You cannot ignore the record and the sheer domination over the division, no matter how shitty the division is. And you cannot ignore the KO percentage, although many of his opponents have entered the ring with shit in their pants.

I also have mixed feelings, as someone said earlier. He dominates, but is boring. Excitement has to be factored into the equation, at least IMO. Wlad plays it safe, and his opponents accommodate him. I'd rather watch paint dry than to watch some of his fights. On the other hand, he's got a good 4-5 years left in him... and one can only hope he'll get tested by some of the young up-and-comers.

Another downer for me: Three ugly KO losses... and only one of them was avenged.
Total opposite from someone like Lewis.

[Rantcatrat]

I was torn between 10-15 and 16-20, but I honestly cannot name 15 better HWs, so I voted for the former. You cannot ignore the record and the sheer domination over the division, no matter how shitty the division is. And you cannot ignore the KO percentage, although many of his opponents have entered the ring with shit in their pants.

I also have mixed feelings, as someone said earlier. He dominates, but is boring. Excitement has to be factored into the equation, at least IMO. Wlad plays it safe, and his opponents accommodate him. I'd rather watch paint dry than to watch some of his fights. On the other hand, he's got a good 4-5 years left in him... and one can only hope he'll get tested by some of the young up-and-comers.

Another downer for me: Three ugly KO losses... and only one of them was avenged.
Total opposite from someone like Lewis.

Good post. I don't mind the losses because they made him a better fighter. Again though, there is no way to know how he would have fared against a top heavyweight from the past because his competition has been weak.

[Dark Lord Al]

wlad is the most boring HW champ of all time in and out of the ring, boring defensive style, takes no risks boring voice, killer of HW boxing

however, id say he beats all but lewis and it would be a close fight him and his brother in their primes

and Purity and Sanders and Brewster

mate things are very different now

you cant compare the wlad that lost those fights with the wlad of today

I have to agree with this

[TysonBomb]

I don't think he would ever beat Sanders, Puritty, and Brewster at their best.

He fought Brewster again when he had literally only one eye and pretty much got up off his hospital bed that he was confined to for a year and into the ring against Wlad.

Fast hands, guys with power who can reach his chin, and durable guys who can take punishment and last are all wrong for Wlad. He really can't cope with speed and power and guys who can take his thunderous punches and keep coming.

Puritty was extremely durable, Brewster was durable and had power, and Sanders had fast hands and power. Someone like Tyson who was all of these things would ALWAYS beat Wlad and in a very devastating, career ending fashion.

Wlad is honestly like Frank Bruno with an even worst chin. Interestingly, when Tyson beat Bruno the second time Bruno was trying to clinch Tyson but Mike punched his way out and finished him, executioner style. When Wlad was neutered by Sanders, Sanders also punched through Wlad's holding and clinching attempts.

Wlad is the worst fighter I've ever seen if he's not in complete control.

[Vendettos]

16-20 based on level of opponent, top ten based on power.