Ali fought Frazier a third time before George did so he still had enough in the tank to beat George again.
Ali fought Frazier a third time before George did so he still had enough in the tank to beat George again.
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Good thread.
He would definitely have fought different but the bigger question would have been could he have come back with the ability to fight a more disciplined fight and stick to a different style for as long as it lasts.
Had he have boxed Ali and not been hell bent on the KO he could have won first time round.
When we were kings is one of my favourite documentaries if not my favourite. Really shows what a huge event it was and how no one gave Ali a chance and you could see he was up against it but he used his fear to motivate himself. Wish I could have been around to watch the build up and the fight as it happened.
I don't know. I'm not convinced that he would have. I'm a little suprised at how some are so certain he does. There was nothing flukish or magic trick about that as Ali was winning rounds and setting the table before the bell even sounded. George did well to refine his delivery but doing it vs a Frazier he already destroyed and Young is worlds apart from a guy who mentally and physically left him in a heap. And it didn't work out to well with Young. Ali might not have been so fresh but he could still beat Foreman to the punch, actually out muscled him and had the adaptability. I love me some Foreman but I think he would start off 'boxing' but once he started hearing the constant gibberish and getting his head snapped he would revert to what he lived and died by, raw concussive and relenting power shots. I cannot help but think the memory of that first defeat would be the 800lb gorilla in the room. George was wound as tight as a steel spring and a
George was fooled completely by Ali who was throwing right leads all night and throwing combinations directly after. (see 30 seconds into round 1, see final 10 seconds of round 3) George was spent before Ali began the rope a dope tactics in full by round 4. George fought the same way as he did against Frazier, the difference being Ali was just as big as he was. Ali always did well against opponents who were his size (Williams and Terrell) Frazier was difficult for Ali because of Frazier's constant head movement and his ducking and weaving, he had further to go to hit Frazier while George was right there in front of him at the perfect height to have his face pummeled. Big George did not have the defensive skills to avoid this and Ali knew it and exploited it in the ring. George was an easy target. Ali's tactics were risky, firing off right hand leads could've led to disaster, but George was not equipped well enough to handle it and adapt.
Ali was landing those right leads at will as George was standing right in front of him and i have a picture on my wall that moves faster than big George so he was getting hit regularly, while Foreman was relying totally on brute strength to wear Ali down. It didn't work as he expended all of his energy by mid fight and was knocked out in 8. In any rematch big George would've needed to find another game plan. Ali was a very smart boxer and tactical fighter, he did his homework, while he was working out the poems and the pre fight rhetoric i believe he was a man who was working out his opponent a lot more than people gave him credit for at the time. Many boxing scribes actually believed Ali's life was in danger in this fight, yet Ali was already telling anybody prepared to listen at the time exactly how to fight big George. " Here comes George with a left.........here comes George with a right............."
Last edited by THE THIRD MAN; 01-19-2013 at 01:21 AM.
George fought an idiotic fight against Ali, remember though he was only 25, and by that time Ali was a wiley old veteran. If you've ever been in a fight, even a street fight and "punched yourself out" you'd get an idea how Foreman might have felt. You're spent and/or got nothing left, and your opponent pretty much has you at his mercy.
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