Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time heavyweights?

[erics44]

Deontay wilder (as green as he is right now!) will cause wlad nightmares.

Wlad hates to fight.

Theres no way Wlad will risk fighting this type of opponent...please Wlad, prove me wrong.

Is there an argument that Wlad hasn't fought every single person out there? He's literally cleaned out the division of contenders. The issue is just that the contenders of his time aren't that great on a historical scale.

are the contenders that bad? or is wlad just that much better than them that they are portrayed as being so bad

if ali was around today with his mouth and in much closer fights with fighters much more like his size and avoiding the draft for a war on communism in a country far far away would this era be remembered as fondly as the era Ali was actually around?

[BIG H]

Deontay wilder (as green as he is right now!) will cause wlad nightmares.

Wlad hates to fight.

Theres no way Wlad will risk fighting this type of opponent...please Wlad, prove me wrong.

Is there an argument that Wlad hasn't fought every single person out there? He's literally cleaned out the division of contenders. The issue is just that the contenders of his time aren't that great on a historical scale.

are the contenders that bad? or is wlad just that much better than them that they are portrayed as being so bad

if ali was around today with his mouth and in much closer fights with fighters much more like his size and avoiding the draft for a war on communism in a country far far away would this era be remembered as fondly as the era Ali was actually around?

You can defend most eras to a degree, but not this one!! It's the wrost in history, worst than the 'Bum of the month' days!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Deontay Wilder! Klitschko uses him for sparring and toys with him! Wilder has not even fought a B level HW yet! Haye would take his head off! Wilder is going life & death and getting dropped by 400lbs Mcdonald's Masters. He's alright but he's not special! Price is much better.

Neither of em are as good as K2 either. The bad era crap is nonsense...2 great champions and 2 prospects right there! Haye, Povetkin, Pulev....i could go on. 'Bum of the month' LOL. Solis. Chagaev. Wlad. Povetkin etc are all gold medal winners! Hardly bums.

WK has a top resume.

[Mr140]

No way is this worse then the bum of month club some of those guys were not even pro fighters dude. This era is better then any era from the 1900s to the 1950s only era clearly above it is 1970s and the 1990s in which had fighters that could beat the ones today. Say what you want but i find it hard to believe that a bar tender who was 60 pounds over weight would be fighting in the ring with the champ. Rocky era was weaker along with Louis era and Holmes is barley above this one people look at the past better.

[BIG H]

No way is this worse then the bum of month club some of those guys were not even pro fighters dude. This era is better then any era from the 1900s to the 1950s only era clearly above it is 1970s and the 1990s in which had fighters that could beat the ones today. Say what you want but i find it hard to believe that a bar tender who was 60 pounds over weight would be fighting in the ring with the champ. Rocky era was weaker along with Louis era and Holmes is barley above this one people look at the past better.

Oh dude please............

[Mr140]

Big H the Holmes, Louis and Rocky eras were really weak and so was Tyson era as well i don't know why you think there so far ahead. Telling me the 1900's to the 1950's fighters were better then now.

[BIG H]

Big H the Holmes, Louis and Rocky eras were really weak and so was Tyson era as well i don't know why you think there so far ahead. Telling me the 1900's to the 1950's fighters were better then now.

I have always maintained that the HW division has only had 2 great eras (and you mentioned them) but average as other eras, such as Holmes and Tyson were, they were far superior to now. Now we have top contenders like Char, Arreola, Solis, Chambers, Johnson and Thompson. These guys are not close to the level of Tim Witherspoon, Renaldo Snipes, Gerry Cooney, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs. None of those guys were great, but they all beat anybody on either Klit's record!!

I think people like Mike Weaver, John Tate, Greg Page, Michale Dokes are all better than anybody around today!

[Fenster]

Deontay Wilder! Klitschko uses him for sparring and toys with him! Wilder has not even fought a B level HW yet! Haye would take his head off! Wilder is going life & death and getting dropped by 400lbs Mcdonald's Masters. He's alright but he's not special! Price is much better.

Neither of em are as good as K2 either. The bad era crap is nonsense...2 great champions and 2 prospects right there! Haye, Povetkin, Pulev....i could go on. 'Bum of the month' LOL. Solis. Chagaev. Wlad. Povetkin etc are all gold medal winners! Hardly bums.

WK has a top resume.

Two champions? That's the main reason the era is utter crap.

How can you possibly establish a clear no.1 if the two best can't fight and are facing SEPARATE competition?

It's a complete nonsense. Wlad has NEVER established himself as the best heavyweight in the world. Fact.

[DavilaJones]

Would you have him fight brother? Personally I don't think that's a good idea. Think of it this way, he would have to train, both of them in fact would have to train for 6 to 8 weeks for the sole purpose of beating up, roughing up and perhaps knocking out their brother who from all indications are very close to each other.


To beat up your own brother who love for money fame just doesn't sit well with me. However boxing is a cruel business and perhaps I'm sentimental in this regard.

[Fenster]

Would you have him fight brother? Personally I don't think that's a good idea. Think of it this way, he would have to train, both of them in fact would have to train for 6 to 8 weeks for the sole purpose of beating up, roughing up and perhaps knocking out their brother who from all indications are very close to each other.


To beat up your own brother who love for money fame just doesn't sit well with me. However boxing is a cruel business and perhaps I'm sentimental in this regard.

No he shouldn't fight his brother, but at the same time you shouldn't just ignore the fact there's a top TWO instead of a no.1

Since 2008, when Vitali came back from retirement, the brothers have occupied the top two positions. During this time they've had 18 fights between them with just ONE common opponent. 17 different title challengers.

How can you establish a pecking order of the worlds best heavyweights if the top two are facing completely different opposition?

In this very thread @THE PHILOSOPHER is claiming Solis is better than Briggs and Rahman. Wlad has never even fought Solis, so if he is such a worthy challenger, then surely the no.1 of this era would have fought him? No but his brother did. Just like Wlad fought Haye but Vitali didn't. Vitali fought Adamek but Wlad didn't. Wlad fought Chagaev but Vitali didn't. Vitali fought Arreola but Wlad didn't.

They might as well be competing in two completely different divisions. There isn't a clear no.1 heavyweight champion and there's no clear line of top challengers.

The Klitschko's are individuals and should be judged as such. Boxing is not a tag team sport.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

In this very thread @THE PHILOSOPHER is claiming Solis is better than Briggs and Rahman. Wlad has never even fought Solis, so if he is such a worthy challenger, then surely the no.1 of this era would have fought him? No but his brother did. Just like Wlad fought Haye but Vitali didn't. Vitali fought Adamek but Wlad didn't. Wlad fought Chagaev but Vitali didn't. Vitali fought Arreola but Wlad didn't.

I never stated Wlad has fought Solis! I only mentioned him when other posters brought VK into the thread discussion.

And yes Solis is way better than Briggs ever was.

[erics44]

Deontay wilder (as green as he is right now!) will cause wlad nightmares.

Wlad hates to fight.

Theres no way Wlad will risk fighting this type of opponent...please Wlad, prove me wrong.

Is there an argument that Wlad hasn't fought every single person out there? He's literally cleaned out the division of contenders. The issue is just that the contenders of his time aren't that great on a historical scale.

are the contenders that bad? or is wlad just that much better than them that they are portrayed as being so bad

if ali was around today with his mouth and in much closer fights with fighters much more like his size and avoiding the draft for a war on communism in a country far far away would this era be remembered as fondly as the era Ali was actually around?

You can defend most eras to a degree, but not this one!! It's the wrost in history, worst than the 'Bum of the month' days!

im not defending the era

its very crap, but that is mainly due to charactors and not skill

wlad is the worlds most boring man outside the ring

he has actually improved inside the ring, he's a bit more interesting nowadays

outside the ring he is very very dull tho

thats why the era is rubbish

if tyson was winning every fight like wlad is then the era would be seen as good

thing is tyson would always meet his buster douglas and it doesnt seem like wlad ever will