I miss Tyson

[DavilaJones]

Well I'd say name one great tall boxer pucher proper heavyweight that mike beat before you..no no no never mind I don't wanna go to that quagmire of If's and buts. I do miss how he destroyed bums, the same way that Jones did.

[Master]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

[Bobthepen]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

[Master]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

[Mr140]

Oh you crack me up Tyson would destroy Holyfeild what a joke i love how most things with Tyson is he could of. Say what you want about Holyfeild but he was older with health problems and still won fights.

[Master]

Oh you crack me up Tyson would destroy Holyfeild what a joke i love how most things with Tyson is he could of. Say what you want about Holyfeild but he was older with health problems and still won fights.

He would have been 200lb at most and would have got crushed. Tyson was at his peak.

[Bobthepen]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

[Andre]

Douglas was very lucky it was the end of the round or Tyson would of finished him on rising. but he deserved the win 100% he took what he gave and more that was all heart and determination.

Much more deserving than Rahman with Lewis that was pure luck,but its always on the cards.

If you put the word explosive up on any boxing forum and ask whos name deserves to be put in front of it, there is only one real answer. He did this sport a great service attracting the public to it.

[Andre]

To say this guy would beat that guy because he beat him and didnt beat the other isnt always true. Its probably the hardest thing to pick.

Look at Vernon Forrest,he beat Mosley twice (with total control) and then loses to Ricardo Mayorga the next two fights! Theres a simular thing with Mayorgas intimidation and all out approach to Tysons and different styles have a better shot, but for some styles controlling strength and aggression it isnt as easy.

[ross]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

He has never been fond to be buying steroids?

[TysonBomb]

None of Tyson's opponents before Douglas ever put a dent into him. He dominated every single one of them, except maybe James Tillis who he fought when he was still green. He seemed to gas in the later rounds but still won by decision.

Tony Tucker put up a great fight but Tyson was even out jabbing him at points of the fight. He was more efficient and effective overall and won just about every round. Tucker did hurt his hand though and I don't doubt it would've been a closer fight i he was 100% healthy. But it was Tucker's decision to go on and fight when he knew that his hand wasn't still fully healed and there was a chance at damaging it again ... he was a belt holder so its not like Tyson wouldn't have waited. Tucker showed a lot of heart in that fight as well as great skill, endurance, durability and power. He was Tyson's best win.

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

[floydbingo]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Mike Tyson - drugged into mediocrity
Mike Tyson was one of the most exciting heavyweight boxers of all time. He had ripped apart the best that boxing had to offer.

Then in 1990 he fought an unimpressive contender called Buster Douglas.

When he stepped into the ring against Douglas it was as an unbeaten and unbeatable champion. About seven (from memory) rounds into the fight he was laid flat on his back for the count. I watched the fight in astonishment. It was plain to see that Tyson was lethargic. I thought at the time that he was just badly out of condition.

From that moment on Tyson was a tortured soul. He was in and out of court and jail on a regular basis, and lost fights to people whom he would have wiped the floor with just a few years earlier.

I read today that when he stepped into the ring in 1990 Tyson was on a chemical cocktail of Lithium, Zoloft, Seroquel, Lamitcal and other psychotropic drugs. On that night Tyson was too zonked out to stand, let alone think or fight clearly

I had often wondered what happened to turn Mike Tyson from an unbeatable champion to an easy-beat, has-been overnight. I should have realised that it was the psychs.
Philip Barton

[TitoFan]

It's always amazing to me how quick people are to dismiss Buster Douglas' superhuman effort on the night the stars aligned just right and he beat Mike Tyson. "Tyson was shot", "Tyson was under-trained", "Tyson was over-confident (true)", "Tyson was on drugs", etc, etc, etc, etc.

I've watched the fight countless times. How about giving Buster Douglas some credit, if only for that one fateful night (for Tyson). Douglas hadn't done anything like that before Tyson.... and he never did anything like that after Tyson. But on that night? Douglas fought a perfect fight.

People forget... Douglas had the size and reach. All he needed was the skill, the conditioning, and the balls. That night he had all three. People talk as if Tyson was sleepwalking through the fight. He wasn't. True.... he was grossly over-confident, an understandable consequence of being undefeated and viewed as totally indestructible. Who the f___ was Buster Douglas but some other bum on Tyson's road to boxing royalty?

Douglas had the perfect mindset and "cojones" for Tyson that night. He refused to be bullied. Instead, he pushed Mike around, with his bigger body. He boxed... he danced... he tied Tyson up when he had to. He traded with Mike when he had to.

The Douglas of that night would've destroyed Wladimir Klitschko on any given night.

Eventually, you play with fire long enough... you get burned. Tyson finally caught him with an uppercut from hell. Aided by a generous count and the end of the round, Douglas survived. It wasn't meant to be Tyson's night.

So to each his own. Destroyed Tyson fans will continue to believe it was voodoo. In some dark corner some hater was sticking pins into a Tyson doll, weakening him for the kill by the bum Douglas. I prefer to give Douglas all the credit in the world for scoring what must still be the most humoungous upset in the history of all of sport. Unfortunately, this all went to Douglas' head and he went back to his lazy, overeating ways. He got dispatched easily by Holyfield, and that was that. More fuel for the destroyed Tyson fans to cling to the voodoo theory.

Let's call things for what they are. Douglas had one career day... and then called it a career. It was a fierce, competitive, action-packed, fingernail-biting fight. And the better man that night won.

[TysonBomb]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Mike Tyson - drugged into mediocrity
Mike Tyson was one of the most exciting heavyweight boxers of all time. He had ripped apart the best that boxing had to offer.

Then in 1990 he fought an unimpressive contender called Buster Douglas.

When he stepped into the ring against Douglas it was as an unbeaten and unbeatable champion. About seven (from memory) rounds into the fight he was laid flat on his back for the count. I watched the fight in astonishment. It was plain to see that Tyson was lethargic. I thought at the time that he was just badly out of condition.

From that moment on Tyson was a tortured soul. He was in and out of court and jail on a regular basis, and lost fights to people whom he would have wiped the floor with just a few years earlier.

I read today that when he stepped into the ring in 1990 Tyson was on a chemical cocktail of Lithium, Zoloft, Seroquel, Lamitcal and other psychotropic drugs. On that night Tyson was too zonked out to stand, let alone think or fight clearly

I had often wondered what happened to turn Mike Tyson from an unbeatable champion to an easy-beat, has-been overnight. I should have realised that it was the psychs.
Philip Barton

That is some regimen, if its true.

Two SSRIs (duplicate therapy), an anti epileptic/mood stabilizer, and a potent bipolar agent

I know he was on Zoloft for depression later on in his career but I doubt he was taking all of those drugs concurrently .... dangerous combination especially when you have two SSRI's (Seroquel and Zoloft) being used together ... Its probably a possibility that he's been treated with these agents at least one point in his career ... Givens pretty much said he was bipolar so I'm guessing he was being treated as early as then ...

It's always amazing to me how quick people are to dismiss Buster Douglas' superhuman effort on the night the stars aligned just right and he beat Mike Tyson. "Tyson was shot", "Tyson was under-trained", "Tyson was over-confident (true)", "Tyson was on drugs", etc, etc, etc, etc.

I've watched the fight countless times. How about giving Buster Douglas some credit, if only for that one fateful night (for Tyson). Douglas hadn't done anything like that before Tyson.... and he never did anything like that after Tyson. But on that night? Douglas fought a perfect fight.

People forget... Douglas had the size and reach. All he needed was the skill, the conditioning, and the balls. That night he had all three. People talk as if Tyson was sleepwalking through the fight. He wasn't. True.... he was grossly over-confident, an understandable consequence of being undefeated and viewed as totally indestructible. Who the f___ was Buster Douglas but some other bum on Tyson's road to boxing royalty?

Douglas had the perfect mindset and "cojones" for Tyson that night. He refused to be bullied. Instead, he pushed Mike around, with his bigger body. He boxed... he danced... he tied Tyson up when he had to. He traded with Mike when he had to.

The Douglas of that night would've destroyed Wladimir Klitschko on any given night.

Eventually, you play with fire long enough... you get burned. Tyson finally caught him with an uppercut from hell. Aided by a generous count and the end of the round, Douglas survived. It wasn't meant to be Tyson's night.

So to each his own. Destroyed Tyson fans will continue to believe it was voodoo. In some dark corner some hater was sticking pins into a Tyson doll, weakening him for the kill by the bum Douglas. I prefer to give Douglas all the credit in the world for scoring what must still be the most humoungous upset in the history of all of sport. Unfortunately, this all went to Douglas' head and he went back to his lazy, overeating ways. He got dispatched easily by Holyfield, and that was that. More fuel for the destroyed Tyson fans to cling to the voodoo theory.

Let's call things for what they are. Douglas had one career day... and then called it a career. It was a fierce, competitive, action-packed, fingernail-biting fight. And the better man that night won.

All of the credit in the world for Douglas for beating that version of Tyson

But Mike at his best would stomp that Douglas ... besides the crash soup diet, the lack of training, the partying, lack of mental preparation and focus, he was even being knocked down by freaking Greg Page in sparring



Trevor Berbick even gave him trouble in sparring in preparation for Douglas. Trevor Berbick who was knocked out thrice by Tyson with one punch.