Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time heavyweights?

[brocktonblockbust]

Ali, Marciano, Holyfield, Holmes, Foreman, did you ever see any of them get smoked like a joke and crawl across the ring like a little biotch on his hands and knees? Then blame Vaseline for it. (Wlad actually blamed being rubbed down with vaseline before the fight for his Brewster Unforgettable Butt-Hole Crawl).

No --- Ali and Rocky never had to make any excuses like that. But that aint the rest of it----he actually done this 3 times didnt he. Lucky he's so tall and lanky so as not to get hit too much as NOBODY CAN FUCKING REACH HIM FOR THE MOST PART.

[Mr140]

I think if Holmes and Tyson eras were better it was by like barely nothing. I would say Bryde and even Haye could beat those names that you have mention more likely Bryde. I still stick by that this Era is better then any thing from the 1900s to the 1950s. I can agree with some of what you say and i may be overrating this era but i think people are underrating it alot more then people overating it. When people are saying that fighters from the old old era are better then now i think its kinda bullshit.

[imp]

Phil,

No one on this forum seems to put Wlad in the top ten.

vitali would always be better but what does that really tell you?

The brothers are great guys and good champions but unfortunately not as fantastic as you make out.

[erics44]

Phil,

No one on this forum seems to put Wlad in the top ten.

vitali would always be better but what does that really tell you?

The brothers are great guys and good champions but unfortunately not as fantastic as you make out.

i dissagree on a few points

No one on this forum seems to put Wlad in the top ten.

there are a few that do including me, i would say top 5

vitali would always be better but what does that really tell you?

im not sure that is true anymore, peak for peak i think it would be a very close fight, i even slightly favour wlad now

The brothers are great guys and good champions but unfortunately not as fantastic as you make out.

they arent great guys, they have ruined the HW division with their slave contracts, never fighting out of germany, spoiling tactics, dodgy refs and extremely boring personalites

[Master]

I have tried hating the Klit brothers but I can’t. They are good and articulate guys who actually are tidying up the division from the dross that is there. Otherwise we will get poor champions. They probably do load the contracts in their favour when they can but they have fought in US and would come to England if necessary. They are in control of their careers and should be saluted for that.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Phil,

No one on this forum seems to put Wlad in the top ten.

A top 10 is meaningless and subjective and ultimately proves nothing....

U have your opinions i have mine.

[imp]

Wlad has every advantage against every heavyweight today but still cant come across with any balls in the ring.

He has a bit of audley blood with frank bruno style fighting with a hint of goloto.

[Rantcatrat]

Wlad has every advantage against every heavyweight today but still cant come across with any balls in the ring.

He has a bit of audley blood with frank bruno style fighting with a hint of goloto.

@imp - frankly, Wlad and his brother as very comparable to Floyd Mayweather. I just don't see their competition as being that great. Thus, it's impossible to rank them all-time-great-level high. I can't put them in the top ten, but there's an argument for a top twenty spot. We'll never know how Wladimir would have fared against a prime Jack Sharkey or a prime Floyd Patterson. One thing I will say for Wladimir is that there hasn't been someone I've wanted him to face that he didn't eventually face, at least recently.

[Rantcatrat]

Wlad has every advantage against every heavyweight today but still cant come across with any balls in the ring.

He has a bit of audley blood with frank bruno style fighting with a hint of goloto.

Wladimir has a style that might bore, but it's effective. People have made that same claim for defensive fighters since the days of Gene Tunney.

[brocktonblockbust]

its effective against the mediocrity both brothers have faced since 2000. true.

Does anyone really think Jack Johnson or Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey for cryin out loud wouldnt utterly SMOKE these faggots in a few rounds?

[Rantcatrat]

its effective against the mediocrity both brothers have faced since 2000. true.

Does anyone really think Jack Johnson or Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey for cryin out loud wouldnt utterly SMOKE these faggots in a few rounds?

No way. At the very least, there is no way to know because they haven't been tested. But now we're talking about literally the all-time best heavyweights. The question to ask is how would they fare against top 25 guys, like Max Baer, Gene Tunney, Ken Norton etc.

[Rantcatrat]

@brocktonblockbust - question for you. Can you explain why Gene Tunney isn't ranked higher on the all-time list when he beat Dempsey twice?

[imp]

It will always be effective against this era.

Floyd and wlad are both defensive fighters but have completely different ways/traits of boxing.

Chalk and cheese.