I miss Tyson

[Bobthepen]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

[Andre]

Douglas was very lucky it was the end of the round or Tyson would of finished him on rising. but he deserved the win 100% he took what he gave and more that was all heart and determination.

Much more deserving than Rahman with Lewis that was pure luck,but its always on the cards.

If you put the word explosive up on any boxing forum and ask whos name deserves to be put in front of it, there is only one real answer. He did this sport a great service attracting the public to it.

[Andre]

To say this guy would beat that guy because he beat him and didnt beat the other isnt always true. Its probably the hardest thing to pick.

Look at Vernon Forrest,he beat Mosley twice (with total control) and then loses to Ricardo Mayorga the next two fights! Theres a simular thing with Mayorgas intimidation and all out approach to Tysons and different styles have a better shot, but for some styles controlling strength and aggression it isnt as easy.

[Master]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

[Bobthepen]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

[Master]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

Tyson did not struggle with Tucker, Tony landed one meaningful shot in the first 30 seconds the upper cut, then he took a beating. Thomas was battered in the first round and then the 6th when he was knocked out. Tyson was a head all the time.

[Bobthepen]

Like it or not Tyson was wiping out opponents who could just about win rounds against him and people were counting significant punches landing on Tyson. Holmes did not give Tyson any problems he was destroyed, this Holmes have Holyfield hell and beat the undefeated Mercer. The point I am making is that Tyson destroyed his opponents with ease and did not struggle with them as certain champions have been. These fighters were good fighters too. Tyson’s peak was way too short and only he is to blame for that.

Tyson didn't destroy Tillis, and he struggled with Tucker until Tucker broke his hand in the fourth. Pinklon Thomas had a lot of success with the jab and caused Mike problems.

Tyson destroyed mediocrity.


Holmes had been retired for two years, and should have had a tune up or three prior to facing Tyson.

Tyson did not struggle with Tucker, Tony landed one meaningful shot in the first 30 seconds the upper cut, then he took a beating. Thomas was battered in the first round and then the 6th when he was knocked out. Tyson was a head all the time.

I, along with Larry Merchant, had Thomas winning rounds 3, 4 and 5. I gave Tucker a few of the early rounds, and I would certainly not say he was having it easy. Had Tucker not broken his right hand it might have been interesting, as he caught Mike repeatedly with that uppercut.

Neither Thomas nor Tucker are rated highly though, which is the point. Mike was good, but found his level when he stepped up ie knocked out.

[ross]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

He has never been fond to be buying steroids?

[TysonBomb]

None of Tyson's opponents before Douglas ever put a dent into him. He dominated every single one of them, except maybe James Tillis who he fought when he was still green. He seemed to gas in the later rounds but still won by decision.

Tony Tucker put up a great fight but Tyson was even out jabbing him at points of the fight. He was more efficient and effective overall and won just about every round. Tucker did hurt his hand though and I don't doubt it would've been a closer fight i he was 100% healthy. But it was Tucker's decision to go on and fight when he knew that his hand wasn't still fully healed and there was a chance at damaging it again ... he was a belt holder so its not like Tyson wouldn't have waited. Tucker showed a lot of heart in that fight as well as great skill, endurance, durability and power. He was Tyson's best win.

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

[Bobthepen]

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

[TysonBomb]

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

Please learn the circumstances surrounding those losses.

Holyfield and Lewis who are considered ATGs have also been KOed. Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and other ATGs have all been KOed.

[Bobthepen]

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

Please learn the circumstances surrounding those losses.

Holyfield and Lewis who are considered ATGs have also been KOed. Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and other ATGs have all been KOed.

Well, the circumstances with Holyfield and Douglas are he got beaten by a better man. I was just yanking your chain with the others.

[TysonBomb]

Douglas was almost KOed despite putting in the best performance of his career and Tyson who literally just showed up to fight, hungover.

Holyfield intentionally headbutted his way to two "victories" over Tyson.

Douglas was actually 3 pounds HEAVIER for the Tyson fight, genius.

Not only do you prove you haven't watched half of these fights, you've also proven your incompetence at researching what happened. You probably mistook Tyson's weight for Douglas's. Tyson was at 220 lbs NOT Douglas, who was at 231.

[floydbingo]

Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Mike Tyson - drugged into mediocrity
Mike Tyson was one of the most exciting heavyweight boxers of all time. He had ripped apart the best that boxing had to offer.

Then in 1990 he fought an unimpressive contender called Buster Douglas.

When he stepped into the ring against Douglas it was as an unbeaten and unbeatable champion. About seven (from memory) rounds into the fight he was laid flat on his back for the count. I watched the fight in astonishment. It was plain to see that Tyson was lethargic. I thought at the time that he was just badly out of condition.

From that moment on Tyson was a tortured soul. He was in and out of court and jail on a regular basis, and lost fights to people whom he would have wiped the floor with just a few years earlier.

I read today that when he stepped into the ring in 1990 Tyson was on a chemical cocktail of Lithium, Zoloft, Seroquel, Lamitcal and other psychotropic drugs. On that night Tyson was too zonked out to stand, let alone think or fight clearly

I had often wondered what happened to turn Mike Tyson from an unbeatable champion to an easy-beat, has-been overnight. I should have realised that it was the psychs.
Philip Barton

[TitoFan]

It's always amazing to me how quick people are to dismiss Buster Douglas' superhuman effort on the night the stars aligned just right and he beat Mike Tyson. "Tyson was shot", "Tyson was under-trained", "Tyson was over-confident (true)", "Tyson was on drugs", etc, etc, etc, etc.

I've watched the fight countless times. How about giving Buster Douglas some credit, if only for that one fateful night (for Tyson). Douglas hadn't done anything like that before Tyson.... and he never did anything like that after Tyson. But on that night? Douglas fought a perfect fight.

People forget... Douglas had the size and reach. All he needed was the skill, the conditioning, and the balls. That night he had all three. People talk as if Tyson was sleepwalking through the fight. He wasn't. True.... he was grossly over-confident, an understandable consequence of being undefeated and viewed as totally indestructible. Who the f___ was Buster Douglas but some other bum on Tyson's road to boxing royalty?

Douglas had the perfect mindset and "cojones" for Tyson that night. He refused to be bullied. Instead, he pushed Mike around, with his bigger body. He boxed... he danced... he tied Tyson up when he had to. He traded with Mike when he had to.

The Douglas of that night would've destroyed Wladimir Klitschko on any given night.

Eventually, you play with fire long enough... you get burned. Tyson finally caught him with an uppercut from hell. Aided by a generous count and the end of the round, Douglas survived. It wasn't meant to be Tyson's night.

So to each his own. Destroyed Tyson fans will continue to believe it was voodoo. In some dark corner some hater was sticking pins into a Tyson doll, weakening him for the kill by the bum Douglas. I prefer to give Douglas all the credit in the world for scoring what must still be the most humoungous upset in the history of all of sport. Unfortunately, this all went to Douglas' head and he went back to his lazy, overeating ways. He got dispatched easily by Holyfield, and that was that. More fuel for the destroyed Tyson fans to cling to the voodoo theory.

Let's call things for what they are. Douglas had one career day... and then called it a career. It was a fierce, competitive, action-packed, fingernail-biting fight. And the better man that night won.