I miss Tyson

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Undefeated Tucker and Biggs over 6ft 5 +, Bruno, Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Thomas whilst not great would have beaten today’s contenders with ease. Tyson and Jones destroyed with what was put in front of them, they did not struggle or lose rounds at their best.

Yeah, Williams was a monster during the five minutes he lasted against Weaver before he was stopped.

Tyson didn't lose rounds against tomato cans, because they rarely lasted one. There's a reason why his team kept him away from Holyfield.

Williams may have been stopped by Weaver but Williams gave Holmes a lot of trouble.

Tyson would have destroyed Holyfield had they fought when Tyson beat Williams, he was on a different level to most fighters in history.

He gave a faded, 36 year old Holmes problems.

Tyson was on a different level? As demonstrated by what? Knocking out faded greats and tomato cans? Didn't Douglas show the world he was overrated?

Holyfield fought at 212lbs in 1989, 3lbs lighter than when he knocked out Mike in 1996.

I'll save you the troble of posting the stock response:-

1. If Cus hadn't died
2. Tyson didn't train for Douglas
3. If Rooney was still training him.
4. Douglas had a long count

Pick one, or come up with a totally new theory on why Tyson was the greatest in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

He has never been fond to be buying steroids?

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None of Tyson's opponents before Douglas ever put a dent into him. He dominated every single one of them, except maybe James Tillis who he fought when he was still green. He seemed to gas in the later rounds but still won by decision.

Tony Tucker put up a great fight but Tyson was even out jabbing him at points of the fight. He was more efficient and effective overall and won just about every round. Tucker did hurt his hand though and I don't doubt it would've been a closer fight i he was 100% healthy. But it was Tucker's decision to go on and fight when he knew that his hand wasn't still fully healed and there was a chance at damaging it again ... he was a belt holder so its not like Tyson wouldn't have waited. Tucker showed a lot of heart in that fight as well as great skill, endurance, durability and power. He was Tyson's best win.

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

[Bobthepen]

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

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These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

Please learn the circumstances surrounding those losses.

Holyfield and Lewis who are considered ATGs have also been KOed. Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and other ATGs have all been KOed.

[Bobthepen]

These were the only two opponents Tyson had that were ever even competitive ... most of his victims had two choices ... to either be KOed spectacularly and earn a spot on Tyson's legendary KO highlight reel .... or to hold on and try and survive the entire fight.

Or knock him out like Douglas. Or Holyfield. Or Lewis. Or Williams. Or McBride.

Please learn the circumstances surrounding those losses.

Holyfield and Lewis who are considered ATGs have also been KOed. Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and other ATGs have all been KOed.

Well, the circumstances with Holyfield and Douglas are he got beaten by a better man. I was just yanking your chain with the others.

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Douglas was almost KOed despite putting in the best performance of his career and Tyson who literally just showed up to fight, hungover.

Holyfield intentionally headbutted his way to two "victories" over Tyson.

Douglas was actually 3 pounds HEAVIER for the Tyson fight, genius.

Not only do you prove you haven't watched half of these fights, you've also proven your incompetence at researching what happened. You probably mistook Tyson's weight for Douglas's. Tyson was at 220 lbs NOT Douglas, who was at 231.

[Bobthepen]

Douglas was almost KOed despite putting in the best performance of his career and Tyson who literally just showed up to fight, hungover.

Holyfield intentionally headbutted his way to two "victories" over Tyson.

Douglas was actually 3 pounds HEAVIER for the Tyson fight, genius.

Not only do you prove you haven't watched half of these fights, you've also proven your incompetence at researching what happened. You probably mistook Tyson's weight for Douglas's. Tyson was at 220 lbs NOT Douglas, who was at 231.

You're right about Douglas. My mistake.

Your problem, young fella, is that you view Tyson's career through posterity. You have already stated he was before your time, and you probably learned all you know about him through youtube highlight footage.
I, however, remember watching many of his fights live back in the day, and as such I read newspapers and boxing magazines and garnered a wealth of background information from the experts of the day about the state of the division and their opinions of Tyson.
I remember when Douglas beat him, because I was in Los Angeles at the time and watched the fight. The most interesting thing about that fight is the excuses. I've read Tyson was hung over, was suffering an allergic reaction to penicillin after contracting VD in a Tokyo whorehouse, to was given sedatives by the Yakuza because of the betting odds.
The strangest thing about these excuses is that they were first heard more than a decade after the fight. Nobody was making those excuses at the time.