Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
Peter Som,top replies mate.

This is a boxing forum first and foremost and I think your reply was perfect in that.

OMGWTF, I think you'lll find that unless you caught out a boxer at exactly the right time; these long rage hooks that actually cover more tradjectory in distance- but have a lot of momentum behind them (because you have to be on the move to get 100% out of them): will be caught or countered easily by a boxer at a boxers fighting distance (Unless you are smart enough to use it at exactly the correct time in the fight which will be very rare in boxing and may only come up with the occasional opponent who gives you that kind of distance to work with.

The reason is,Mma is generally a different animal in that the contact and pre contact fight starts earlier at a long range distance due to kicks being the first threat and long range over reaching punches that can be thrown at that same distance once the kick misses is checked with a knee a leg or is caught.(different if you block at their knee of course ,then you can reach with the fist without moving).

When something covers more ground to get from point A to point B there has to be a definitive reason for its use and that wont come up in boxing unless you are following the path of the target, there is little point in it.Boxer can can check a straight fast jab at range so they will easily check a circling shot if at that range or if you move to land it from distance.Unless they are moving and you are seeking the target with the shot,then you have a hope.


There are flying hooks/leaping hooks in boxing and they are not just Russian where you can launch or take a step and fully commit to a long reaching hook,but they are a very old practice and unless you know exactly when to use them you will come a huge guttser against a tight fighter due to over commitment when they are non committed.

Peter mentioned wrap your hands before you go on the heavy bag, take notice there,specially when experimenting with power shots.

Sounds to me with your technique in trying these "russian" hooks that your body isnt in line behind your landing shot so you are losing power.(which may have saved your shoulder joint if you are on an extra heavy bag).
Like if you have a pole with a stick hanging out the side and you twist it and the stick or 'Arm', swings around its anchor point the pole 'You' and hits something, you see the stick is on its own out there and eventually guess where the weakness and the break down eventually occurs? Yeah at the join,'your shoulder' if not in perfect line when practicing against a solid object.

If you are in mma and want to use this kind of thing to reach over their knee and leading elbow maybe try using your front leg like the pivot and do a two stage step, step with the front as you set up and launch the shot and shift your rear leg around it the reverse way as your body aligns behind the shot and you land it in line. I wouldnt practice that on the heavy bag until you get it down perfect because you will do joint damage if you land it correctly and you are not in line and locked into position behind the shot.

Your feet are the key here. Ive only watched that first video and really these dudes are swing for the fences so that with the volume thrown eventually someones going to run into one of them at the right time and it will be claimed. In reality an adjusting step back on a 45% angle and a straight front kick up between the elbows would stop that volume of russian hooks dead in its tracks right there,but these men have a certain lets bang it out thing going on.
Wow you were dead right about my shoulders not being in alignment, thats an incredible "observation" considering you cant even see me punching, im extremely impressed that you can pick up on that on an odd technique, just going by my vague text. !!! Im pretty gobsmacked!

Thanks bud!!!