Why is crime so high in England?

[TitoFan]

It is not the welfare program itself that is the culprit. That would be too simplistic a view. It is the way it is being administered. When the welfare program was first drawn up, it was meant for those people truly in need. Who by forces beyond their control, were unable to meet their financial obligations through wages earned. But like any government-instituted system, if badly administered it will be abused. And that's what we're having nowadays. It is being abused way beyond the original intent. We have perfectly healthy and capable people who would rather live off welfare than holding down a job. And the way the system is currently designed makes it rather attractive for some of those people to abuse the system. If the choice in front of you is: a) work at some minimum-wage job and barely make ends meet, or b) go on welfare... not work a day in your life... and make the same or more than by working... well guess what. A lot of people will choose "b". And that is abuse. It is up to the government, elected by the people, to fix and correctly administer this system before it further hurts the nation's economy, and just as critical..... before it continues to erode the work ethic of the nation's young population.

[El Kabong]

Here's the deal, many government bureaucracies were created to end poverty, however, if they actually ended poverty then that would be the end of those bureaucracies & the end of their funding ergo the people "in charge" of ending poverty are basically making certain poverty still exists. All these bureaucracies are doing is buying votes via entitlements....what the fuck do the bureaucrats care if they're wasting money, its keeping them employed in a cushy government job

[TitoFan]

That too.... job security. These programs lack the needed oversight to ensure the mission is being accomplished. They also lack the accountability you find in private industry. In private industry, you have goals and objectives, and you get the funds and other resources to do the job. If you don't, you've failed and you get to be held accountable. This should hold for all branches and offices of the government, including the welfare program.

[Beanz]

This thread is about crime in ENGLAND not the welfare system in America. In England Crime is not caused by welfare, a lot of it is caused by a minority of drug dependent individuals who rob to feed their habit, Working lads who think after 8 pints that they are the new Mike Tyson and need to prove it and young people without a job and nobody to look up to or guide them who fill there day being anti social twats.

[Beanz]

If you want to discuss welfare etc and it's impact on society you could do worse than heading on over to Dia bando's excellent http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...7-society.htmlthread and making your point there.

[TitoFan]

This thread is about crime in ENGLAND not the welfare system in America.

Thread drift.




But no... I cannot truly weigh in on crime in England as I've only been there once and that was a long time ago. However... regardless of the crime rate, and how it's defined, one thing is for certain and that is that there are a heck of a lot less shooting sprees in England (probably none) than in the U.S. Obviously, the 180-degree difference in the availability of firearms must be the biggest factor.

[IamInuit]

This thread is about crime in ENGLAND not the welfare system in America.

Thread drift.




But no... I cannot truly weigh in on crime in England as I've only been there once and that was a long time ago. However... regardless of the crime rate, and how it's defined, one thing is for certain and that is that there are a heck of a lot less shooting sprees in England (probably none) than in the U.S. Obviously, the 180-degree difference in the availability of firearms must be the biggest factor.

Toronto had 34 murders last year by gun. Across the street in Chicago they went over 500

Canada had about 150 murders last year and below the 48th parallel it was close to 15,000

The gun lobby is trying to equate England's assault rate by bottles and pots and pans as a direct result of the gun ban. That is not a slippery slope. Its a total mountain cave in using flawed logic.

[El Kabong]

Toronto had 34 murders last year by gun. Across the street in Chicago they went over 500

Canada had about 150 murders last year and below the 48th parallel it was close to 15,000

The gun lobby is trying to equate England's assault rate by bottles and pots and pans as a direct result of the gun ban. That is not a slippery slope. Its a total mountain cave in using flawed logic.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US.....FACT

Also Obama & the liberals want to ban Assault Rifles & more people have been murdered with hands & feet than Assault Rifles......FACT

But hey owning a gun is only my RIGHT and after all what does that mean nobody cares about the Constitution anymore, they want FDR's "Bill of Rights" with their "living wage" & "healthcare"