Why is crime so high in England?

[El Kabong]

According to the FBI in 2005 there were 445 murders by rifles (not specifically Assault Rifles, just rifles in general) & in 2011 there were 323 murders by rifles (again in general)...but what is really interesting is that according to the very same FBI "blunt objects" were used in 618 murders in 2005 & 496 murders in 2011.


445 is LESS than 618

323 is LESS than 496

How long before this sinks in?

No Offence but, and excuse the pun, you just shot yourself in the foot. Even in America there are more blunt objects than guns, so ubiquity has just trumped efficiency. We both know that the whole story can only be painted by including all firearms, the picture then is quite different


In the absence of Kirkland, here is a graph

Murder weapons, 2011

Ok and the President is talking about ONLY banning Assault Rifles which aren't used in the majority or even half or even 10% of murders soooooo your graph is pointless

[Andre]

I find it ironic how a couple of the guys on here who obviously dont like Americans much, are fighting for you all to disarm yourselves. You'd think they'd saying; "yeah go on, buy more guns, make it even easier to get them, so you can all have one." .

Instead they are saying it for one reason,to stop innocents getting killed by freaks in the future.

So whats more important? I say disarming the freaks and preventing more from arming themselves.

You need stricter vetting and stricter gun laws in regards to who.
Seriously what else can you do to stop innocents being continually plowed down?

What is your answer to the problem, or is there no problem in your mind?

[Beanz]

According to the FBI in 2005 there were 445 murders by rifles (not specifically Assault Rifles, just rifles in general) & in 2011 there were 323 murders by rifles (again in general)...but what is really interesting is that according to the very same FBI "blunt objects" were used in 618 murders in 2005 & 496 murders in 2011.


445 is LESS than 618

323 is LESS than 496

How long before this sinks in?

No Offence but, and excuse the pun, you just shot yourself in the foot. Even in America there are more blunt objects than guns, so ubiquity has just trumped efficiency. We both know that the whole story can only be painted by including all firearms, the picture then is quite different


In the absence of Kirkland, here is a graph

Murder weapons, 2011

Ok and the President is talking about ONLY banning Assault Rifles which aren't used in the majority or even half or even 10% of murders soooooo your graph is pointless

1. We don't have a president in England
2. We don't have a major problem with gun crime in England
3. This is a thread built on the false premise that crime is SO HIGH in England.
4. Blunt objects are red herrings as demonstrated by the lovely red interactive graph I found.
5.Your points are pointless because this is not a thread about America, Guns. Obama or a constitutional amendment that allows for the arming of militias.

[AdamGB]

Why not include pistols, smgs, machine pistols etc?

[AdamGB]

According to the FBI in 2005 there were 445 murders by rifles (not specifically Assault Rifles, just rifles in general) & in 2011 there were 323 murders by rifles (again in general)...but what is really interesting is that according to the very same FBI "blunt objects" were used in 618 murders in 2005 & 496 murders in 2011.


445 is LESS than 618

323 is LESS than 496

How long before this sinks in?

No Offence but, and excuse the pun, you just shot yourself in the foot. Even in America there are more blunt objects than guns, so ubiquity has just trumped efficiency. We both know that the whole story can only be painted by including all firearms, the picture then is quite different


In the absence of Kirkland, here is a graph

Murder weapons, 2011

Ok and the President is talking about ONLY banning Assault Rifles which aren't used in the majority or even half or even 10% of murders soooooo your graph is pointless

5.Your points are pointless because this is not a thread about America, Guns. Obama or a constitutional amendment that allows for the arming of militias.

He was already off on one from like the 2nd post.

A very wound up individual.