The Global Warming crowd is at war....with the poor

[El Kabong]

The global warming alarmist agenda is not to offer alternatives. Wind, Solar, biofuels...these things simply cannot do the job of Nuclear, Coal, Oil, & Gas that's just a fact otherwise companies specializing in alternative energy sources would be booming without government hand outs. Solar energy alone creates a tone of pollution, how do you think they make those panels? Lithium Ion batteries are also pretty damned toxic as are those curly-q lightbulbs which not only contain mercury but put out a lot more UV rays which will give you cancer.

The agenda is to drive up the cost of heating your home, using appliances, cool your home, fill your gas tank, etc. Which in turn makes the price of food go up because how do we transport those goods from farms to market? Who does that hurt most? Who has the least ammount of disposable income Tito? The 1% won't give a shit, they'll read their Wall Street Journal while sitting on their gold plated toilets & not give a good God damn about an extra few dollars here & there....but the average Joe trying to put food on the table day in and day out...it'll put a hurting on his family. Also if other nations are held to the same "Green Police" Global Warming Alarmist standard that America is subject to then you're keeping people in the 3rd World stuck in the 3rd World.

You want to help people globally how about medicine & fresh water for people in Africa!

[VictorCharlie]

I don't really have a huge issue with the AWG science crowd. The earth's climate is and has always been fluid. We have been on a warming trend ever since the last ice age and yes humans have an effect on the climate. The questions to me that need more research is how much effect do we have, is this warming effect really the cataclysmic event some would have you believe and can we actually do anything about it now?

I do have an issue with politicians who use AWG studies not to improve the Earth but to switch money from an industry that does'nt support them to an industry that does. If alternative energy sources are viable, cost effective and desired then they will make it on their own merit and don't need huge subisdies.

[El Kabong]

Why during blizzards do newscasters always remind people to check & make sure friends & loved ones have heat? Why during hot summers do the same newscasters remind people to stay inside, and keep in the air conditioning? Is it because heat & AC save lives? Heat & AC are necessities in such inclimate weather and the Global Warming people want those to be harder to get & more expensive to operate.

[TitoFan]

I'm all for helping people in Africa. But that isn't really a polarizing issue, is it?

When you stick the word "alarmist" right after the words "global warming", you are picking on the very slice of the environmentalist population I said are hopeless fanatics. So you're picking the wrong argument there. I'm against extremist views of any kind. And I never claimed that renewable resources could completely replace the traditional fossil fuels. Again, we're going to the extremes. But you're skewing the argument when you talk about the pollution caused by manufacturing solar panels.

C'mon Lyle... you know better than that. You're talking a one-time manufacturing process for a maintenance-free solar panel that will be providing renewable energy for the life of the panel. How does that even begin to compare with the pollution caused by the burning of oil and coal? Seriously??

Take a moment and think about it. In my argument, I'm not advocating running out into the streets and picketing every refinery and coal mine worldwide. I'm not advocating needless panic and fanatical viewpoints where "A" is all good.... "B" is all evil.... or viceversa. Whereas you come across as attacking anything that will put a dent into the multi-trillion dollar monster which is the oil and coal industry.

Regardless of how shitty you feel Obama is as President..... do you think Georgie Bush actually gave a flying shit about anything other than filling his own pockets with money from oil interests, at the expense of any other promising technology trying to pry its way in?

You talk about alternative energy sources "booming" without government handouts if they were in fact viable alternatives. Really?? For a person mistrustful of the government for other reasons, you are being a bit naive if you think for minute that the government doesn't "discourage" cheaper, cleaner alternatives to fossil fuels. Tell me I'm wrong on that assumption..... please.

[El Kabong]

Why should helping people be polarizing? The point is people are dying of dysentery and it doesn't have to be the case. People are still dying of Polio in Afghanistan & Pakistan as tribal leaders won't allow for vaccinations because the shots turn their women into whores....these are diseases that can be cured & prevented but no we want to focus on something which MAY or MAY NOT be happening and which we MAY or MAY NOT be able to prevent....do you see the problem here? We know for a fact we can save lives and yet we're focused on hurting the poor & middle class....I would have thought someone who was for more progressive means of taxation would no doubt see how illogical the Anthropogenic Global Warming agenda is. These people oppose the Keystone Pipeline for environmental reasons and then when they were appeased about how safe the pipeline would be they opposed it all the same just because it would allow for the consumption of fuel.....fuel that would be refined & used anyway. Fuel that would provide jobs & more than likely lower the cost of gas....does that not strike you as just completely idiotic and morally corrupt?

Again about George W. Bush, NEWSFLASH he's not President anymore!!! Fucking get over it!!! I wish he was President again #1 He would actually be held responsible for his actions and #2 He'd probably do a better job than Obama.

[TitoFan]

Not surprisingly, you missed my first point. Forget Africa, Afghanistan and Pakistan. 99.9999% of the civilized world agrees that something should be done to combat disease and famine in those countries... the only issues are the "how" and the amount of money to spend.

Back to the point.... global warming. A doomsday prophecy for a hysterical some.... a meaningless, annoying gnat of an issue to be swatted for insensitive others.... and a real problem which requires further studies and solutions for the remaining logical population (my group ). So the environmental "alarmists" were "appeased" about how safe the Keystone Pipeline would be? Only to oppose it now because it would "allow for the consumption of fuel"? (Your words). Hmm... sounds fishy to me.

When did this "appeasement" happen? Were all concerns regarding spills in sensitive areas, potentially caused by seismic activity.... were all concerns regarding greenhouse emissions from the extraction of petroleum from tar sands..... were all those concerns officially laid to rest? What day did that happen? I mean... an event like that would've made headlines across the country: "Keystone Pipeline declared no longer a threat to the environment or global warming!" Details at 11.

And now these bad alarmists all of sudden are taking it all back... their approval, I mean... because the pipeline is going to provide oil for consumption. The bastards!!

And all of this happening against the ever present backdrop of the human race squeezing the living shit out of every reachable shale rock for every drop of oil that can be squeezed, while at the same time brushing aside any alternatives that might lower the multi-billion dollar profits made by the oil moguls by a couple of percentage points.

Did you use the phrase "idiotic and morally corrupt"?
Would you care to dust it off again?

And yeah..... Bush is long gone (thank God).
Jed Clampett with a college degree and a famous daddy.

[El Kabong]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

[TitoFan]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

[El Kabong]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

beaucoup*

The Keystone pipeline is supposed to get oil from Canada damnit! And the Greenies oppose it.

We need to cut off any & all funding that props up the Saudi Royal Family...they aren't good people. America shouldn't be an "Oil Prude" nation, we expect others to drill & refine, why don't we do it ourselves? We've got the technology, we've got the oil & gas.

Alternative energy is a hoax why else would the Kennedy's (who loooove them some Global Warming) keep windfarms away from their property? If it would help save the Earth one would think they would accept those big ass wind turbines gladly, but they didn't. Al Gore doesn't use alternative energy to go take him to give speeches, why is that? Al Gore has a HUGE carbon footprint but we're supposed to think he's out to save the world with his bullshit power points presentation?