The Global Warming crowd is at war....with the poor

[TitoFan]

I'm all for helping people in Africa. But that isn't really a polarizing issue, is it?

When you stick the word "alarmist" right after the words "global warming", you are picking on the very slice of the environmentalist population I said are hopeless fanatics. So you're picking the wrong argument there. I'm against extremist views of any kind. And I never claimed that renewable resources could completely replace the traditional fossil fuels. Again, we're going to the extremes. But you're skewing the argument when you talk about the pollution caused by manufacturing solar panels.

C'mon Lyle... you know better than that. You're talking a one-time manufacturing process for a maintenance-free solar panel that will be providing renewable energy for the life of the panel. How does that even begin to compare with the pollution caused by the burning of oil and coal? Seriously??

Take a moment and think about it. In my argument, I'm not advocating running out into the streets and picketing every refinery and coal mine worldwide. I'm not advocating needless panic and fanatical viewpoints where "A" is all good.... "B" is all evil.... or viceversa. Whereas you come across as attacking anything that will put a dent into the multi-trillion dollar monster which is the oil and coal industry.

Regardless of how shitty you feel Obama is as President..... do you think Georgie Bush actually gave a flying shit about anything other than filling his own pockets with money from oil interests, at the expense of any other promising technology trying to pry its way in?

You talk about alternative energy sources "booming" without government handouts if they were in fact viable alternatives. Really?? For a person mistrustful of the government for other reasons, you are being a bit naive if you think for minute that the government doesn't "discourage" cheaper, cleaner alternatives to fossil fuels. Tell me I'm wrong on that assumption..... please.

[El Kabong]

Why should helping people be polarizing? The point is people are dying of dysentery and it doesn't have to be the case. People are still dying of Polio in Afghanistan & Pakistan as tribal leaders won't allow for vaccinations because the shots turn their women into whores....these are diseases that can be cured & prevented but no we want to focus on something which MAY or MAY NOT be happening and which we MAY or MAY NOT be able to prevent....do you see the problem here? We know for a fact we can save lives and yet we're focused on hurting the poor & middle class....I would have thought someone who was for more progressive means of taxation would no doubt see how illogical the Anthropogenic Global Warming agenda is. These people oppose the Keystone Pipeline for environmental reasons and then when they were appeased about how safe the pipeline would be they opposed it all the same just because it would allow for the consumption of fuel.....fuel that would be refined & used anyway. Fuel that would provide jobs & more than likely lower the cost of gas....does that not strike you as just completely idiotic and morally corrupt?

Again about George W. Bush, NEWSFLASH he's not President anymore!!! Fucking get over it!!! I wish he was President again #1 He would actually be held responsible for his actions and #2 He'd probably do a better job than Obama.

[TitoFan]

Not surprisingly, you missed my first point. Forget Africa, Afghanistan and Pakistan. 99.9999% of the civilized world agrees that something should be done to combat disease and famine in those countries... the only issues are the "how" and the amount of money to spend.

Back to the point.... global warming. A doomsday prophecy for a hysterical some.... a meaningless, annoying gnat of an issue to be swatted for insensitive others.... and a real problem which requires further studies and solutions for the remaining logical population (my group ). So the environmental "alarmists" were "appeased" about how safe the Keystone Pipeline would be? Only to oppose it now because it would "allow for the consumption of fuel"? (Your words). Hmm... sounds fishy to me.

When did this "appeasement" happen? Were all concerns regarding spills in sensitive areas, potentially caused by seismic activity.... were all concerns regarding greenhouse emissions from the extraction of petroleum from tar sands..... were all those concerns officially laid to rest? What day did that happen? I mean... an event like that would've made headlines across the country: "Keystone Pipeline declared no longer a threat to the environment or global warming!" Details at 11.

And now these bad alarmists all of sudden are taking it all back... their approval, I mean... because the pipeline is going to provide oil for consumption. The bastards!!

And all of this happening against the ever present backdrop of the human race squeezing the living shit out of every reachable shale rock for every drop of oil that can be squeezed, while at the same time brushing aside any alternatives that might lower the multi-billion dollar profits made by the oil moguls by a couple of percentage points.

Did you use the phrase "idiotic and morally corrupt"?
Would you care to dust it off again?

And yeah..... Bush is long gone (thank God).
Jed Clampett with a college degree and a famous daddy.

[El Kabong]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

[TitoFan]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

[El Kabong]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

beaucoup*

The Keystone pipeline is supposed to get oil from Canada damnit! And the Greenies oppose it.

We need to cut off any & all funding that props up the Saudi Royal Family...they aren't good people. America shouldn't be an "Oil Prude" nation, we expect others to drill & refine, why don't we do it ourselves? We've got the technology, we've got the oil & gas.

Alternative energy is a hoax why else would the Kennedy's (who loooove them some Global Warming) keep windfarms away from their property? If it would help save the Earth one would think they would accept those big ass wind turbines gladly, but they didn't. Al Gore doesn't use alternative energy to go take him to give speeches, why is that? Al Gore has a HUGE carbon footprint but we're supposed to think he's out to save the world with his bullshit power points presentation?

[TitoFan]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

beaucoup*

The Keystone pipeline is supposed to get oil from Canada damnit! (I said "responsibly". Did that part just slip through the cracks? I know where the Keystone pipeline originates). And the Greenies oppose it.

We need to cut off any & all funding that props up the Saudi Royal Family...they aren't good people. America shouldn't be an "Oil Prude" nation, we expect others to drill & refine, why don't we do it ourselves? We've got the technology, we've got the oil & gas. (Yeah... everybody else is doing it. So let's just continue irresponsibly squeezing the living shit out the last ounce of oil left on the planet. Who gives a flying fuck about future generations? Drill away!!!)

Alternative energy is a hoax why else would the Kennedy's (who loooove them some Global Warming) keep windfarms away from their property? (Uhhh.... because they're filthy rich and could give 3 shits about saving money on energy? Because windfarms aren't aesthetically appealing? Just a thought). If it would help save the Earth one would think they would accept those big ass wind turbines gladly, but they didn't. Al Gore doesn't use alternative energy to go take him to give speeches, why is that? Al Gore has a HUGE carbon footprint but we're supposed to think he's out to save the world with his bullshit power points presentation? (Al Gore, Al Gore, Al Gore. Let's just pick out some "easy-to-shit-on" clown and make him the poster boy for environmentalists. THAT way, we can shit on the environment and lump Al Gore with anyone who speaks up about it. Good strategy, by the way).

You're reaching, but ok...

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