would you agree with the statement that

[IamInuit]

Agreed. That was one of the biggest shams ever. I think there was a certain amount of decline because of it but imo the much bigger decline started when the took boxing off network tv, The final nail imo was ppv.

Yeah boxing leaving NBC was crucial, but also Boxing leaving USA was a hit...USA had Tuesday Night Fights and they had some really good fighters come through there. All the big time names fought on USA early or late in their careers...that was a big thing.

UFC has gone the opposite direction basically staking out Spike, FX, Fuel, & Fox....brilliant, brilliant move by them & they'll prosper for it. Boxing can come back around, but it's swimming against the current at the moment.

Indeed I remember looking forward to Abc's Wild World of Sports. Practically every fight I watched on the networks for free back then would have been ppv today

[Master]

We have the same problem when it all went to sky with Benn and Eubanks and the BBC and ITV giving up. Hatton was the closest big star on the satellite network but even he gained his mainstream support through terrestrial channels as has Khan.

[IamInuit]

We have the same problem when it all went to sky with Benn and Eubanks and the BBC and ITV giving up. Hatton was the closest big star on the satellite network but even he gained his mainstream support through terrestrial channels as has Khan.

Over here I think it started with Leonard/Hearns and what was then called closed circuit TV. Ray then went on to be the first fighter to earn 100 million in a career.

[Spicoli]

Agreed. That was one of the biggest shams ever. I think there was a certain amount of decline because of it but imo the much bigger decline started when the took boxing off network tv, The final nail imo was ppv.

Yeah boxing leaving NBC was crucial, but also Boxing leaving USA was a hit...USA had Tuesday Night Fights and they had some really good fighters come through there. All the big time names fought on USA early or late in their careers...that was a big thing.

UFC has gone the opposite direction basically staking out Spike, FX, Fuel, & Fox....brilliant, brilliant move by them & they'll prosper for it. Boxing can come back around, but it's swimming against the current at the moment.

Indeed I remember looking forward to Abc's Wild World of Sports. Practically every fight I watched on the networks for free back then would have been ppv today

I really do think boxings network visibility has been the highest its been in some years. ESPN, NBC returned, hbo and Showtime. FOX Deportes, Telemundo, FUEL shows lots of 'classics'. PPV today is garbage mainly based on a single name but for all his wrongs Kings SET put on some of the best cards of the early-mid 90's. Losing the free networks was a blow but seeing it return on a Saturday afternoon a few weeks ago gives us hope. Everyone in boxing loves a good comeback.

[IamInuit]

Agreed. That was one of the biggest shams ever. I think there was a certain amount of decline because of it but imo the much bigger decline started when the took boxing off network tv, The final nail imo was ppv.

Yeah boxing leaving NBC was crucial, but also Boxing leaving USA was a hit...USA had Tuesday Night Fights and they had some really good fighters come through there. All the big time names fought on USA early or late in their careers...that was a big thing.

UFC has gone the opposite direction basically staking out Spike, FX, Fuel, & Fox....brilliant, brilliant move by them & they'll prosper for it. Boxing can come back around, but it's swimming against the current at the moment.

Indeed I remember looking forward to Abc's Wild World of Sports. Practically every fight I watched on the networks for free back then would have been ppv today

I really do think boxings network visibility has been the highest its been in some years. ESPN, NBC returned, hbo and Showtime. FOX Deportes, Telemundo, FUEL shows lots of 'classics'. PPV today is garbage mainly based on a single name but for all his wrongs Kings SET put on some of the best cards of the early-mid 90's. Losing the free networks was a blow but seeing it return on a Saturday afternoon a few weeks ago gives us hope. Everyone in boxing loves a good comeback.

True enough. They are at least trying to make a little comeback but both HBO and Espn and Espncl are expensive and not even available in certain areas. I cant get Showtime, FUEL, Fox Deportes or Telemundo on my Satellite or Cable. Lucky for me there are streams. I think that's where the most access is and will continue to grow but even with that up here I have a bandwidth cap which I consistently go over. I guess I'm spoiled by the past in this regard. Lets just say I don't foresee watching the likes of Arguello/Pryor or a Sanchez/Gomez type card on regular tv anytime soon.

[hardcore_crash]

Fuel shows classics?

[Spicoli]

Fuel shows classics?

The occassional it looks like. De la Hoya v Quartey tomorrow morning.

[Spicoli]

Agreed. That was one of the biggest shams ever. I think there was a certain amount of decline because of it but imo the much bigger decline started when the took boxing off network tv, The final nail imo was ppv.

Yeah boxing leaving NBC was crucial, but also Boxing leaving USA was a hit...USA had Tuesday Night Fights and they had some really good fighters come through there. All the big time names fought on USA early or late in their careers...that was a big thing.

UFC has gone the opposite direction basically staking out Spike, FX, Fuel, & Fox....brilliant, brilliant move by them & they'll prosper for it. Boxing can come back around, but it's swimming against the current at the moment.

Indeed I remember looking forward to Abc's Wild World of Sports. Practically every fight I watched on the networks for free back then would have been ppv today

I really do think boxings network visibility has been the highest its been in some years. ESPN, NBC returned, hbo and Showtime. FOX Deportes, Telemundo, FUEL shows lots of 'classics'. PPV today is garbage mainly based on a single name but for all his wrongs Kings SET put on some of the best cards of the early-mid 90's. Losing the free networks was a blow but seeing it return on a Saturday afternoon a few weeks ago gives us hope. Everyone in boxing loves a good comeback.

True enough. They are at least trying to make a little comeback but both HBO and Espn and Espncl are expensive and not even available in certain areas. I cant get Showtime, FUEL, Fox Deportes or Telemundo on my Satellite or Cable. Lucky for me there are streams. I think that's where the most access is and will continue to grow but even with that up here I have a bandwidth cap which I consistently go over. I guess I'm spoiled by the past in this regard. Lets just say I don't foresee watching the likes of Arguello/Pryor or a Sanchez/Gomez type card on regular tv anytime soon.

I hear ya man. I didn't find or use downloads let alone youtube for fights until I found this place. Shit brother its gone the way of network news and I still remember Cronkite. We're relics The good thing with nearly all major ppv is that they will reair the main events on "pay" channel, but yeh it blows to fork out the money. Sucks you don't have Showtime? Good thing for streams indeed.