28 years ago today...

[Master]

Holyfield is a cheat and a joke and its frustrating to see morons disregard the evidence against him (tiny bollocks, lack of testosterone, heart problems, being caught red handed paying for them etc) and continue to rank him higher than he deserves. Lance armstrong got stripped of his titles, why nt Holyfield and every other dirty fucking cheat?

To be honest, I'd be shocked if Mike wasn't using at some point, but he never got busted like Holyfield did so whatever.

Do not tarnish all fighters with the same brush. Tyson was probably taking marijuana than PED.

[Beanflicker]

Do not tarnish all fighters with the same brush. Tyson was probably taking marijuana than PED.

I'm not tarnishing anyone, but the fact is if you were a world class athlete from 1980s onward, you are a suspect for PED use. Lance Armstrong blew the doors off it, EVERYONE is a suspect to me.

[Master]

Do not tarnish all fighters with the same brush. Tyson was probably taking marijuana than PED.

I'm not tarnishing anyone, but the fact is if you were a world class athlete from 1980s onward, you are a suspect for PED use. Lance Armstrong blew the doors off it, EVERYONE is a suspect to me.

That is just silly logic.

[Beanflicker]

That is just silly logic.

Why? Is it more logical to believe that EVERYONE who uses PED's gets caught?

[Master]

That is just silly logic.

Why? Is it more logical to believe that EVERYONE who uses PED's gets caught?

You have to assume innocent until proven guilty otherwise you just cannot follow the sport you love without any conviction.

[Beanflicker]

You have to assume innocent until proven guilty otherwise you just cannot follow the sport you love without any conviction.

I can't assume innocent until proven guilty because it's too easy to get away with it, and I'm not niave enough to believe that these guys are all good little boy scouts who wouldn't dream of cheating. It's just not realistic.

I know Holyfield used steroids and I don't think it made him any less of a warrior, or any less skilled of a boxer.

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You have to assume innocent until proven guilty otherwise you just cannot follow the sport you love without any conviction.

I can't assume innocent until proven guilty because it's too easy to get away with it, and I'm not niave enough to believe that these guys are all good little boy scouts who wouldn't dream of cheating. It's just not realistic.

I know Holyfield used steroids and I don't think it made him any less of a warrior, or any less skilled of a boxer.

Of course it did!

He wasnt confident enough to go in there without an edge.

How tough is someone who takes a knife to a fist fight? Thats what Holyfield was doing, taking an unatural edge. Cheating is cheating.

Without that edge those lesser fighters like Bert Cooper wouldnt have just hurt him theyd have finished him and he wouldnt have had much of a heavyweight career at all.