Hearns vs Mayweather & Hagler vs Hopkins

[TitoFan]

Tommy Hearns for 12 rounds outboxed SRL, he also outclassed an excellent defensive fighter in Wilfred Benitez. I've never seen anyone outbox Tommy Hearns, and i don't think Mayweather would either because he hasn't got the size or reach.

This..... on Hearns-Mayweather.

On Hagler-Hopkins, I'd have to say Hagler.
He's got too much firepower for Hopkins, and he was too much of a wily veteran to fall for Hopkins' shenanigans.

[Beanflicker]

I'll take Hopkins over Hagler. I think Hopkins would be too quick and slick, and would take a competitive decision.

Mayweather/Hearns is a tougher one, and you have to keep in mind that we're going prime vs prime and Hearns had his prime at WW and MW, and Floyd was peak at super-featherweight to light-welterweight. That being said, at WW I'll still take Floyd.

What I find funny is the people who think beating Floyd is just simply a matter of throwing a bunch of straight punches and jabs. Then when guys fight Floyd and have a low punch output they say "Jeez if he just threw more jabs/punches he would have won!" Doesn't it seem weird that the key to beating Mayweather is so simple, yet no one has managed to do it for 17 years?

Floyd is a master defensive technician and counter puncher. Guys go in with the intention to throw a ton of punches, but start second guessing themselves and can't set right when they're eating lightning fast lead right hands and left hooks. I gaurentee you, Hearns has his offense severely stunted by Floyd, and he eats a lot of flush shots.

I know people will bring up that he outboxed Leonard, but Mayweather is better than Leonard in just about every catagory, and also has a different style.

[IamInuit]

I'll take Hopkins over Hagler. I think Hopkins would be too quick and slick, and would take a competitive decision.

Mayweather/Hearns is a tougher one, and you have to keep in mind that we're going prime vs prime and Hearns had his prime at WW and MW, and Floyd was peak at super-featherweight to light-welterweight. That being said, at WW I'll still take Floyd.

What I find funny is the people who think beating Floyd is just simply a matter of throwing a bunch of straight punches and jabs. Then when guys fight Floyd and have a low punch output they say "Jeez if he just threw more jabs/punches he would have won!" Doesn't it seem weird that the key to beating Mayweather is so simple, yet no one has managed to do it for 17 years?

Floyd is a master defensive technician and counter puncher. Guys go in with the intention to throw a ton of punches, but start second guessing themselves and can't set right when they're eating lightning fast lead right hands and left hooks. I gaurentee you, Hearns has his offense severely stunted by Floyd, and he eats a lot of flush shots.

I know people will bring up that he outboxed Leonard, but Mayweather is better than Leonard in just about every catagory, and also has a different style.

Hagler edges Hopkins and Tommy quite literally kicks the snot out of Floyd at 147. Its also a crock that Floyd peaked out at 126 and 135. Makes little difference. Tommy is all wrong for him at any weight. I'm not sure Floyd could deal with Saddler at 126 let alone a hypothetical Hearns at that weight.

[ray corso]

Hearns KO winner over Mayweather easily!!! Mayweather offers no power so Tommy would be working freely!! Hearms 6'1" 147, Floyd 5'7" 145 its such a miss match its ridiculous!!!

Hagler over Hopkins it will take Marvelous time to run Hopkins down because Bernard won't fight Hagler he'll stink the ring out and run and tap and run and try to hold!! Marvelous will eventually get Hopkins to slow down and he won't let Hopkins steal like Leonard did to Hagler. Were talking prime Hagler not the older version who fought Leonard. Hopkins does nthing better than Hagler does except run!! Who has Hopkins ever beated thats a great fighter? He's over his head with a "high work rate" Hagler. Ray.

[Beanflicker]

Hagler edges Hopkins and Tommy quite literally kicks the snot out of Floyd at 147. Its also a crock that Floyd peaked out at 126 and 135. Makes little difference. Tommy is all wrong for him at any weight. I'm not sure Floyd could deal with Saddler at 126 let alone a hypothetical Hearns at that weight.

I have no problem with people thinking Hearns beats Mayweather, because Hearns was a hell of a champ and could knock out any man with his right hand.

But when people are saying he knocks out Floyd early or dominates Floyd... that's just crazy talk. In Floyd, you're talking about THE GREATEST defensive fighter of all time. Willie Pep, Benitez, hell even Whitaker - none of these guys had the defensive capabilities of PBF. And seeing how much Hearns struggled offensively against Benitez, I think it's a little niave to say Hearns just blows Mayweather out of the water.

You don't think Floyd was at his peak from 130-140? The best I ever seen Floyd look - possibly the greatest virtuoso performance I've ever seen - was vs Corrales at 130.
Floyd went up to 147 and 154 to secure big money fights, but really he was never a "true" 147 or 154lber.

As for Saddler, Floyd never fought below super feather anway, but assuming they could fight... Saddler gets dominated.

[Dia bando]

Hearns would spark Floyd in 2 rounds, Hagler would beat the shit out of Slopkins.

[Beanflicker]

Hearns would spark Floyd in 2 rounds, Hagler would beat the shit out of Slopkins.

Of course. Why wouldn't they...

[Dia bando]

Hearns would spark Floyd in 2 rounds, Hagler would beat the shit out of Slopkins.

Of course. Why wouldn't they...

Why NOT.

[Master]

I know people will bring up that he outboxed Leonard, but Mayweather is better than Leonard in just about every catagory, and also has a different style.

Ray Leonard was a lot better than Mayweather is at welter. Leonard is better is every department and had far greater punch power. Floyds best weight is below welter where he is a great fighter. The current welterweights are not as good as when Tito, Quartey and ODH held the titles.

[Mr140]

Are you fucking kidding me Mayweather a better boxer then Leonard must be a joke. If his peak was 135 then him pretty much losing to Cor doesn't say much about his peak. Leonard offence was leagues above Mayweather and he was fighting guys like Duran, Hearns, and Benitez at there peaks. I mean tell me what does Mayweather do better then Ray when it comes to offense because i don't see much and to beat Hearns you need to have the offence Leonard did and also have chin to take the shots.

[Beanflicker]

I mean tell me what does Mayweather do better then Ray

How about...

1) Counter punching
2) Accuracy
3) Hand speed
4) Punch choice (knowing what to throw and when, to leave himself less vulnerable.)

Combined with superior...

1) Footwork
2) Defence
3) Boxing fundamentals

Floyd is by far and away a much better boxing talent than Ray Leonard. And Ray was a great fighter, Floyd is just in a league of his own.

To sum it up, Ray was a bigger puncher than Floyd and that's about it.

And to be fair, Floyd was considered a boxer/puncher at his lower starting weights and had a very respectable KO ratio.

[Beanflicker]

Anyone who thinks Hearns outboxes Floyd is absolutely nuts. You guys need to watch more of Hearn's fights other than the KO reel. His defense had a lot of holes and he didn't have the greatest chin in the world either.

[Mr140]

Think Rays root work was better then Floyds to be honest with you also his combination punching was better as well when he go on the offence. Floyd in his prime pretty much lost to Costillo and his best win is a older Oscar. I have hard time determining what he would do with fights that are in different leagues and are atg as well. The closet thing was Oscar and he in no way dominated him i sure you can look better when you oppents are not as great. Hearns, Duran, Hagler and Benitez were atg and Leonard beat them all i mean i will go look at the flim but i think he was a better fighter in the ring.

[ICB]

Anyone who thinks Hearns outboxes Floyd is absolutely nuts. You guys need to watch more of Hearn's fights other than the KO reel. His defense had a lot of holes and he didn't have the greatest chin in the world either.

Well he outboxed a defensive wizard in Wilfred Benitez, so why is it nuts to think that ?