Hearns vs Mayweather & Hagler vs Hopkins

[Master]

I know people will bring up that he outboxed Leonard, but Mayweather is better than Leonard in just about every catagory, and also has a different style.

Ray Leonard was a lot better than Mayweather is at welter. Leonard is better is every department and had far greater punch power. Floyds best weight is below welter where he is a great fighter. The current welterweights are not as good as when Tito, Quartey and ODH held the titles.

[Mr140]

Are you fucking kidding me Mayweather a better boxer then Leonard must be a joke. If his peak was 135 then him pretty much losing to Cor doesn't say much about his peak. Leonard offence was leagues above Mayweather and he was fighting guys like Duran, Hearns, and Benitez at there peaks. I mean tell me what does Mayweather do better then Ray when it comes to offense because i don't see much and to beat Hearns you need to have the offence Leonard did and also have chin to take the shots.

[Beanflicker]

I mean tell me what does Mayweather do better then Ray

How about...

1) Counter punching
2) Accuracy
3) Hand speed
4) Punch choice (knowing what to throw and when, to leave himself less vulnerable.)

Combined with superior...

1) Footwork
2) Defence
3) Boxing fundamentals

Floyd is by far and away a much better boxing talent than Ray Leonard. And Ray was a great fighter, Floyd is just in a league of his own.

To sum it up, Ray was a bigger puncher than Floyd and that's about it.

And to be fair, Floyd was considered a boxer/puncher at his lower starting weights and had a very respectable KO ratio.

[Beanflicker]

Anyone who thinks Hearns outboxes Floyd is absolutely nuts. You guys need to watch more of Hearn's fights other than the KO reel. His defense had a lot of holes and he didn't have the greatest chin in the world either.

[Mr140]

Think Rays root work was better then Floyds to be honest with you also his combination punching was better as well when he go on the offence. Floyd in his prime pretty much lost to Costillo and his best win is a older Oscar. I have hard time determining what he would do with fights that are in different leagues and are atg as well. The closet thing was Oscar and he in no way dominated him i sure you can look better when you oppents are not as great. Hearns, Duran, Hagler and Benitez were atg and Leonard beat them all i mean i will go look at the flim but i think he was a better fighter in the ring.

[Mr140]

Hearns may have not had the best chin in the world but Mayweather didn't have the power of Leonard or a Hagler either. I mean Mayweather has had a reach advantage in all his fights as well or damn near. Your saying Mayweather is above these guys but his resume doesn't show me he could hang. I mean Castillo pretty much beating him in prime and rematch being really close as well. Then you have Oscar at the tail end of his career who took at least 116 112 against him at worst. I don't see Mayweather out boxing Hearn's because no one ever did and he does not have the attack like Leonard did at welter. Mayweather is a great fighter but i mean his comp is not even as strong as the 90's was above welter. He has caught alot of fighters at the tail end of there careers which was not his fault but it holds him back in think he could out fight a Hearns or a Leonard.

[ICB]

Anyone who thinks Hearns outboxes Floyd is absolutely nuts. You guys need to watch more of Hearn's fights other than the KO reel. His defense had a lot of holes and he didn't have the greatest chin in the world either.

Well he outboxed a defensive wizard in Wilfred Benitez, so why is it nuts to think that ?