Rigo and Donaire vs P4P rankings

[bigstinkybug]

Both Garcias have been fighting better opposition everytime they fight... both r undefeated and both world champions... how can u compare Mathese, who is good, but lost to Judah, a top 10...How can u give Broner ,who conssitantly cherry picks his opponents while talking smack. Bronner had a chance to back his mouth up but decided to skip the 140 div.

ALSO, u can't say"Arthur Abraham was never any good" when he was kicking ass when Froch beat him... Now we see him as a lesser fighter, but then, he was p4p... and if u don't think Glen Johnson is dangerous... then i don't what to say to u.

u know.. u can have whatever top 10 u want... i feel im wasting time.

[Silkeyjoe]

Both Garcias have been fighting better opposition everytime they fight... both r undefeated and both world champions... how can u compare Mathese, who is good, but lost to Judah, a top 10...How can u give Broner ,who conssitantly cherry picks his opponents while talking smack. Bronner had a chance to back his mouth up but decided to skip the 140 div.

ALSO, u can't say"Arthur Abraham was never any good" when he was kicking ass when Froch beat him... Now we see him as a lesser fighter, but then, he was p4p... and if u don't think Glen Johnson is dangerous... then i don't what to say to u.

u know.. u can have whatever top 10 u want... i feel im wasting time.

U are wastin your time cz u are talking shite. Garcia has fought Khan and an old Morales. That is not better then what Matthysse has been fighting who was robbed in his to defeats so to me he's an unbeaten fighter but you probably haven't seen the fights. Also Garcias gonna vacate his belt after he takes on Judah to avoid Matthysse. He's also ducking a khan rematch. Mikey has beaten decent fighters in his last 2 fights but before that noone if note and the last to we're ageing horribly.

Abraham was never that good at super middleweight. He lost all his career defining fights and Johnson was dangerous in the 90s.

Broner and Rigo have done a lot more the Borg Garcias. Rigos pretty much unified the division and Broners a 2 weight champ soon to become 3.

Seriously watch fights before you comment on them and don't just look at boxrec

[Beanflicker]

If Mayweather isn't your #1 p4p, your list has serious issues.

If Rigo is in your top 10, your list has serious issues.

If Wlad isn't in your top 10, your list has serious issues.

[Silkeyjoe]

If Mayweather isn't your #1 p4p, your list has serious issues.

If Rigo is in your top 10, your list has serious issues.

If Wlad isn't in your top 10, your list has serious issues.

Rigo just strolled past Donaire who was number 4 in a lot of people's P4P list. He unified a world title in 12 fights. I think he's unbeatable at his weight, no one will fight him. I can't see an argument for him not being there.

Wlad has cleared out his division and has been unbeaten in 9 years and don't think there is any question who is the better of the 2 at the moment. I can see why some people wouldn't have him but I think he deserves to be on it.

Just to remind you a p4p list shoul have nothing to do with style or excitement just boxin skill and who you think would win if you neglect weight advantage

[Beanflicker]

Just to remind you a p4p list shoul have nothing to do with style or excitement just boxin skill and who you think would win if you neglect weight advantage

I'm not saying it has anything to do with style or excitement. I ranked Floyd p4p #1 over Pacquaio for YEARS because, to me, the only advantage Manny had over him was punching power and excitement.

Accomplishment plays the biggest part in P4P rankings. P4P should be an overall ranking based on skill, for sure, but also largely on that fighter's accomplishments and dominance relative to their own weight division. This "who would win neglecting weight advantage" stuff is nonsense and absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to judge.

Guys fight and are molded, for the most part, by their weight class and physical abilities. A 250lb heavyweight doesn't, and shouldn't, fight like a 147lb welterweight. There are huge differences obviously in the physical attributes of the HW and the WW. The HW can't maintain the same energy output as a smaller fighter. A big guy has to fight according to his body, as does the smaller man.

So that being said, take a guy like Rigo: he fights according to his size. How the hell can you compare him, p4p, to let's say Wlad. Do we look at them at HW? Well Rigo isn't going to be moving as fast and as much as he did against Donaire. He's not going to have the same reflexes. How does his jaw hold up at that weight? Does he have the "little guy" boxing skills at HW? At Rigo's weight, does Wlad now have little guy skills? He's also now a lot faster and capable of a much higher energy output. How do you possibly compare this?

We have to go by tangibles (skill shown and accomplishment). Rigo has 1 win that means something. I don't think that should put him above guys who have 3 times the fights and way more meaningful wins.

[Silkeyjoe]

Just to remind you a p4p list shoul have nothing to do with style or excitement just boxin skill and who you think would win if you neglect weight advantage

I'm not saying it has anything to do with style or excitement. I ranked Floyd p4p #1 over Pacquaio for YEARS because, to me, the only advantage Manny had over him was punching power and excitement.

Accomplishment plays the biggest part in P4P rankings. P4P should be an overall ranking based on skill, for sure, but also largely on that fighter's accomplishments and dominance relative to their own weight division. This "who would win neglecting weight advantage" stuff is nonsense and absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to judge.

Guys fight and are molded, for the most part, by their weight class and physical abilities. A 250lb heavyweight doesn't, and shouldn't, fight like a 147lb welterweight. There are huge differences obviously in the physical attributes of the HW and the WW. The HW can't maintain the same energy output as a smaller fighter. A big guy has to fight according to his body, as does the smaller man.

So that being said, take a guy like Rigo: he fights according to his size. How the hell can you compare him, p4p, to let's say Wlad. Do we look at them at HW? Well Rigo isn't going to be moving as fast and as much as he did against Donaire. He's not going to have the same reflexes. How does his jaw hold up at that weight? Does he have the "little guy" boxing skills at HW? At Rigo's weight, does Wlad now have little guy skills? He's also now a lot faster and capable of a much higher energy output. How do you possibly compare this?

We have to go by tangibles (skill shown and accomplishment). Rigo has 1 win that means something. I don't think that should put him above guys who have 3 times the fights and way more meaningful wins.

Who has more meaningful wins? Mayweather beating? Marquez beating Pac is fair enough. Rigo destroyed Ramos a world champ at the time, beat Cordoba, a very dangerous former world champ and big bang Casey and unbeaten Limerick traveller. It takes balls to fight one of them.

Also the way you are describing P4P above how can you not have Wlad and Vitali on the list?