I LIKE Tyson Fury- but Arreola, Jennings and/or Wilder STARCHES HIM!

[ross]

Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?

So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

Hold on...

Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

[scribbs]

Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?

So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

Hold on...

Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

Yeah, Cooper & Frazier had Heavyweight power because they were heavyweights, as you stated there was no cruiser as that time. Many old heavy's would be at cruiser nowadays but I'm a traditionalist so would go back to 8 divisions so the cruiserweight division would be redundant.

Cunningham is modern fighter so was able to fight in the cruiser division, I can't debate about if he was in the 70's because he wasn't. Ok, I made an assumption about Fury in the 90's which went against the grain of what I normally do but I lived through the 90's & the heavy's of that period were arguably the second deepest in terms of quality after the 70's.

Steve has a 38.71% KO ratio but if you look at his record he scored more decisions against top graders than KO's with the exception of Huck who was stopped in the 12th & Ross (who beat Hernandez imo) by genuine KO. I like Steve as a fighter but he's not really a banger tbh.

I just think Fury has come along at a time when the division is at it's weakest, arguably the worst ever, his size makes him awkward & reasonable power will see him through fights, but against quality opposition (not a lot at moment) he's going to struggle because his chin is not great. Basically I've not bought into the hype!

[ross]

I havent bought in to any hype either. He is what he is. I agree he is limited but its his work ethic and desire to actually fight that I have become a fan of. He is the most watchable heavy in the world right now. The lead up to his fights are entertaining and watching the fight you see an effort too. Even if it means he risks losing, he puts it on the line and pushes himself.

Wlad has proved he can be consistant and carefull but with each fight Fury is learning more and getting tougher to beat for either Klitschko.

[scribbs]

I havent bought in to any hype either. He is what he is. I agree he is limited but its his work ethic and desire to actually fight that I have become a fan of. He is the most watchable heavy in the world right now. The lead up to his fights are entertaining and watching the fight you see an effort too. Even if it means he risks losing, he puts it on the line and pushes himself.

Wlad has proved he can be consistant and carefull but with each fight Fury is learning more and getting tougher to beat for either Klitschko.

It's his chin that's the trouble, always has been for me. Yeah he's put some exciting fights but some have been dull. Who knows, maybe he will be the champ, just don't see it against the K's

[ross]

Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

[El Kabong]

A few things @ross...

#1 Just because Cunningham weighed over 200 pounds doesn't automatically turn him into Earnie Shavers (211 pounds or there abouts), Rocky Marciano (circa 188 pounds), or Mike Tyson (about 218 pounds)...Cunningham just can't punch which is why he only KO'd 38% of his opponents at cruiserweight. What he would have done in the 1970's if he had a time machine is irrelevant, you may as well say "Well if he fought Tyson Fury on the Moon things would have been different"

#2 You can be big and ripped and not have huge power....Juan Urango was built like a mini-Mike Tyson and he was just a pressure fighter, not a power puncher.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

There's a very fine line between fearless and stupid and from what I've seen Tyson Fury ain't that bright

[scribbs]

Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

There's plenty of fighter's that may be called chinny, depends on the shot they took & recuperative powers. If Cunningham could have landed cleanly after he scored the knockdown it would have been a lot different imo. He didn't so moot point but he wobbled him again in the 3rd.

I have to disagree with you on Wlad. He's methodical, yeah boring but has the tools to back up his record. I watched Fury's fights since the beginning but still think he will be exposed against someone decent.

Not gonna argue on Ordinary Harrison, didn't like him at all, that's all I can say. He's not worth writing about

[El Kabong]

Wlad beats Fury with ease...Wlad is too skilled at the technical aspects of boxing to have trouble with Fury who although is quite a large fellow is not a very good boxer from the sweet science perspective. Fury CAN change, he's got plenty of time to, but he'll never be on Wladimir's level......NEVER.

[ross]

Wlad beats Fury with ease...Wlad is too skilled at the technical aspects of boxing to have trouble with Fury who although is quite a large fellow is not a very good boxer from the sweet science perspective. Fury CAN change, he's got plenty of time to, but he'll never be on Wladimir's level......NEVER.

Well yeah, hed have to get knocked out by a few journeymen first

[Fenster]

Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

I agree that Fury's chin ain't as bad as most make out, however, if Fury had been caught with a running-jump overhand right smash from Naz he'd have never got up. Fact.

[El Kabong]

Well yeah, hed have to get knocked out by a few journeymen first

Be patient, that'll happen

[Dark Lord Al]

Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?

So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

Hold on...

Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

This small HW with not much power dropped a 6'9 Fury , the fact is, to anyone on here who isnt either called fury , or isnt bumming him , he got floored by a light puncher.
So lets see him get in with a big puncher at HW , fury going down doesnt mean Cunnigham was a puncher , is reflects the fact fury has a dodgy chin.

[ross]

Sad state the heavy division is in when he's in the top ten, piss poor fighter who wouldn't have been anywhere near the top ten in the 90's.

A light punching blown up cruiser puts him on his arse, put him in with Wlad or Vit now & get it over with. Haye would give him a good chinning also but the rest of this division is sub par at best imo.

At the same stage of his career Ali had been dropped by Sonny Banks 191lb and Henry Cooper 185lb Then even when he had won the title he was dropped by Joe Frazier 205lb

All smaller men than Cunningham. Does this make Alis chin shit? In fact had the little bitches from here been around back then what would you have said about Cassius Clay, knocked down by 2 small men and getting a gift decision against Doug Jones?

So you are equating Tyson Fury with Muhammad Ali? That's really a fucked up viewpoint. I wasn't born when Clay/Ali was fighting in the 60's & this is one thing I will not do, try to predict history. I don't even do top 10 lists, h2h or p4p debates as they are fucking pointless (used to, but just waste's time that could be spent doing proper things, so don't now) but each to their own.

I'm not a fan of Fury although he's improve some from his early days but most fighters do. I don't know if you are from UK (I am) or elsewhere but I've seen enough of him over numerous fights to know he's a piss poor fighter who's taken his size & reasonable power to get by in a era when the heavyweights are dire.

Cunningham was decent cruiser but can you really say he has genuine heavyweight power, not for me. Fury has been rocked numerous times but his gangly size seems to get him by. Like I stated I would get him in with the Klit Bros or Haye & show him for what he is a hype job. Anyone decent with genuine power will beat him inside the distance.

I will say one thing, although he is awful he can be entertaining in fights in freak show way. That's just my take, maybe I'll be proved wrong but I doubt it.

Hold on...

Cunningham doesnt have genuine heavyweight power?

Would you say a 185lb Henry Copper had real heavyweight power?

Or Joe Frazier who weighed 205lb (5lb less than a ripped Cunningham) had real heavyweight power? If Frazier fought today hed be in the cruiser division, just having to lose 5lb and he knocked down an undefeated Ali.

In the 70's, Cunningham wouldnt have had a cruiser division and would have been a heavyweight and he would have been regarded as a big heavyweight too. How many heavyweights back then were as ripped as he was at 210lb?

This small HW with not much power dropped a 6'9 Fury , the fact is, to anyone on here who isnt either called fury , or isnt bumming him , he got floored by a light puncher.
So lets see him get in with a big puncher at HW , fury going down doesnt mean Cunnigham was a puncher , is reflects the fact fury has a dodgy chin.

Hold on...

Isnt Price supposed to be huge puncher?

Well he has already fought and landed punches on Fury and this was a 17 year old inexperienced boy. Price was an experienced 22 year old man who was regularly fighting at international, world level.

It was Price who got dropped in that fight, not Fury

[Master]

Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

I agree that Fury's chin ain't as bad as most make out, however, if Fury had been caught with a running-jump overhand right smash from Naz he'd have never got up. Fact.

Naz would need step ladders to land the punch

[El Kabong]

Look at someone Like Naseem Hamed, he got dropped by non punchers but stood up to some decent punchers without going down. Its as much to do with their concentration. Alot of the time had anyone else got caught with the same shot they would also have gone down but fighters who put it all on the line are going to get hit. They are getting caught because they have no respect for the fighters they are facing and arent using their boxing attributes. When Fury clicks and puts it all together he has the potential to be an extremely difficult fight for Wlad.

At least hes not like Harrison who has all the tools and skill in the world but just cannot impose it on any dangerous opponents because he is not fearless like Fury.

I agree that Fury's chin ain't as bad as most make out, however, if Fury had been caught with a running-jump overhand right smash from Naz he'd have never got up. Fact.

Naz would need step ladders to land the punch

....not if he landed to the bollocks