Questions re: Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s Legacy

[Violent Demise]

Acelino Freites (1999-2002)
Joel Casemayor (same era)
Steve Johnson (same era)
Not sure who the writer is but the logic is flawed. Where Freitas and Casamayor are concerned it was because of timing more then anything else. Acelino was not known and Floyd was on his way to the Arum break away. In addition Orgs were well on their way of using the calendar in order to ensure certain fights could not happen and especially unifications. Much like they do now. I don’t think the Johnson fight was even thought about and Castillo had already beaten him. And imagine the style matchup. It would have been about as enjoyable as Byrd/Jones in their prime. I’d have to hit myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer just to watch it. The fight I wanted in that time frame that had a short window was Shane/Floyd. That would have been something in the 130/35 area.
Vivian Harris (2003-2005)
Kosta Tszyu (2003- 2005)
Who names their son Vivian? At any rate he was another hype job with a punch with the boxing skills of a log and had not done squat to meet Floyd. Chin like fly paper.
Zu was a matter of politics with conflicting broadcasters and no fault of either man. I wonder if the writer made the same notation on his view of Zu’s legacy.
Antonio Margarito (2006-2007)
In case anyone was not paying attention this is where the depth of Arum and Floyds hatred of each other gathered its own taste. How many Arum fighters has Floyd clashed with since he told him to go play in the traffic?
Miguel Cotto (2007-200
Cotto and his team have went public saying more or less that they were not ready for him and I suppose I could g get the quotes if need be. Floyd had to wait on Cotto to be a free agent.
Paul Williams (200
In 2008 Williams split with Quintana who was a borderline gate keeper and then moved to 160 pounds. Sure he beat Margarito a year previous but that’s it.
Winky Wright (2009)
You have got to be kidding me? Not only was Winky washed up in 2009 but he would have never even been a mention. He was out of Floyds weight class for almost a decade.
Manny Pacquiao (2010 - 2012)
Not going to beat the dead horse. They are both categorically insane for not doing it.
Sergio Martinez (2012)
How does a natural welter duck a natural middle?

Look forward to the response my friend. I think Floyds problem from a historians standpoint will be the time off. Smart sob from an economic standpoint cause he could have eliminated the crew he is about to cash in on.

You wrote that? That's actually pretty much on point. I agree with it

Well I never pasted it. Its my view having lived it.

If you read the 3rd post on this thread you'll see we have similar views on this. I always found the Mayweather ducked Harris accusation hilarious

[bradlee180]

Floyd's certainly an elite fighter of tremendous skill, I don't think anyone ever disputed that.

He just didn't test himself very often against the very best that the sport had to offer is all, and that drastically affects a fighter's legacy...

[IamInuit]

Produce a man he ducked? Then prove it. Those he supposedly ducked could be said to have ducked him. Somebody supply a fighter he actually ducked?

[bradlee180]

Manny Pacquiao.

[IamInuit]

Manny Pacquiao.

Lol

[bradlee180]

Floyd Mayweather junior is more defined by all the top guys that he didn't fight.

Guerrero is a fantastic matchup. Elite guy in his prime. It's really too bad that Floyd didn't do these kinds of fights more often.
Unfortunately it's too late now, Floyd's too old. Someone's p!$$ing down your back and telling you it's raining if you honestly think Floyd is still in his prime anymore.

[bradlee180]

Well, I'm gonna go pull my wire to some 80s and 90s porn now, Keisha, Hyapatia Lee, Felecia, Tracey Adams,...

later, fellas...

[ykdadamaja]

Floyd Mayweather junior is more defined by all the top guys that he didn't fight.

Guerrero is a fantastic matchup. Elite guy in his prime. It's really too bad that Floyd didn't do these kinds of fights more often.
Unfortunately it's too late now, Floyd's too old. Someone's p!$$ing down your back and telling you it's raining if you honestly think Floyd is still in his prime anymore.

You can't fight everyone. And with contract negotiations, you certainly won't fight everyone.

[IamInuit]

Acelino Freites (1999-2002)
Joel Casemayor (same era)
Steve Johnson (same era)
Not sure who the writer is but the logic is flawed. Where Freitas and Casamayor are concerned it was because of timing more then anything else. Acelino was not known and Floyd was on his way to the Arum break away. In addition Orgs were well on their way of using the calendar in order to ensure certain fights could not happen and especially unifications. Much like they do now. I don’t think the Johnson fight was even thought about and Castillo had already beaten him. And imagine the style matchup. It would have been about as enjoyable as Byrd/Jones in their prime. I’d have to hit myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer just to watch it. The fight I wanted in that time frame that had a short window was Shane/Floyd. That would have been something in the 130/35 area.
Vivian Harris (2003-2005)
Kosta Tszyu (2003- 2005)
Who names their son Vivian? At any rate he was another hype job with a punch with the boxing skills of a log and had not done squat to meet Floyd. Chin like fly paper.
Zu was a matter of politics with conflicting broadcasters and no fault of either man. I wonder if the writer made the same notation on his view of Zu’s legacy.
Antonio Margarito (2006-2007)
In case anyone was not paying attention this is where the depth of Arum and Floyds hatred of each other gathered its own taste. How many Arum fighters has Floyd clashed with since he told him to go play in the traffic?
Miguel Cotto (2007-200
Cotto and his team have went public saying more or less that they were not ready for him and I suppose I could g get the quotes if need be. Floyd had to wait on Cotto to be a free agent.
Paul Williams (200
In 2008 Williams split with Quintana who was a borderline gate keeper and then moved to 160 pounds. Sure he beat Margarito a year previous but that’s it.
Winky Wright (2009)
You have got to be kidding me? Not only was Winky washed up in 2009 but he would have never even been a mention. He was out of Floyds weight class for almost a decade.
Manny Pacquiao (2010 - 2012)
Not going to beat the dead horse. They are both categorically insane for not doing it.
Sergio Martinez (2012)
How does a natural welter duck a natural middle?

Look forward to the response my friend. I think Floyds problem from a historians standpoint will be the time off. Smart sob from an economic standpoint cause he could have eliminated the crew he is about to cash in on.

You wrote that? That's actually pretty much on point. I agree with it

Well I never pasted it. Its my view having lived it.

If you read the 3rd post on this thread you'll see we have similar views on this. I always found the Mayweather ducked Harris accusation hilarious

Agree 100%. I do think he could have fought Margarito for the record and found that whole 8 million dollar thing kind of lame

[Rantcatrat]

Acelino Freites (1999-2002)
Joel Casemayor (same era)
Steve Johnson (same era)
Not sure who the writer is but the logic is flawed. Where Freitas and Casamayor are concerned it was because of timing more then anything else. Acelino was not known and Floyd was on his way to the Arum break away. In addition Orgs were well on their way of using the calendar in order to ensure certain fights could not happen and especially unifications. Much like they do now. I don’t think the Johnson fight was even thought about and Castillo had already beaten him. And imagine the style matchup. It would have been about as enjoyable as Byrd/Jones in their prime. I’d have to hit myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer just to watch it. The fight I wanted in that time frame that had a short window was Shane/Floyd. That would have been something in the 130/35 area.
Vivian Harris (2003-2005)
Kosta Tszyu (2003- 2005)
Who names their son Vivian? At any rate he was another hype job with a punch with the boxing skills of a log and had not done squat to meet Floyd. Chin like fly paper.
Zu was a matter of politics with conflicting broadcasters and no fault of either man. I wonder if the writer made the same notation on his view of Zu’s legacy.
Antonio Margarito (2006-2007)
In case anyone was not paying attention this is where the depth of Arum and Floyds hatred of each other gathered its own taste. How many Arum fighters has Floyd clashed with since he told him to go play in the traffic?
Miguel Cotto (2007-200
Cotto and his team have went public saying more or less that they were not ready for him and I suppose I could g get the quotes if need be. Floyd had to wait on Cotto to be a free agent.
Paul Williams (200
In 2008 Williams split with Quintana who was a borderline gate keeper and then moved to 160 pounds. Sure he beat Margarito a year previous but that’s it.
Winky Wright (2009)
You have got to be kidding me? Not only was Winky washed up in 2009 but he would have never even been a mention. He was out of Floyds weight class for almost a decade.
Manny Pacquiao (2010 - 2012)
Not going to beat the dead horse. They are both categorically insane for not doing it.
Sergio Martinez (2012)
How does a natural welter duck a natural middle?

Look forward to the response my friend. I think Floyds problem from a historians standpoint will be the time off. Smart sob from an economic standpoint cause he could have eliminated the crew he is about to cash in on.

You wrote that? That's actually pretty much on point. I agree with it

Well I never pasted it. Its my view having lived it.

If you read the 3rd post on this thread you'll see we have similar views on this. I always found the Mayweather ducked Harris accusation hilarious

Agree 100%. I do think he could have fought Margarito for the record and found that whole 8 million dollar thing kind of lame

Thanks for the input. It was by Doug Fisher in his most recent mailbag in the Golden Boy-owned Ring Magazine. I've also seen that boxing writers tend to somewhat universally feel that Floyd's legacy could use improving. I'm not sure I've encountered an "expert" that doesn't think that.

I believe the distinction is that the writer wasn't suggesting that Floyd "ducked" any of these guys. It was more that they were good-for-legacy fights that were missed. Floyd might well have beat all of the guys, and that isn't really the issue. It's more that he didn't face them.