Mediocre Manuel Charr showed just how poor Vitali is

[AdamGB]

People seem to be just talking about reach but completely forgetting height...

Here's a test for you, fully extend your arm and place your fist on a wall, start off with the fist level with your own head... Now imagine that your target is a further 6 inches higher than your head, raise your fist higher and higher and notice just how much further away your fist now is from the wall... Also factor in that power drops dramatically the further your fist travels above your shoulder and you start to realise that 'range' and 'reach' are two different things and that there are more factors than just how LONG a boxer's arms are.

A 6 foot fighter with a 30" reach has a much shorter effective RANGE than his 6 foot 6 opponent with a 28" reach when they fight each other.

Effective range is not only down to head height and arm length, but leg length too... The fundamentals of boxing all start from the feet and being able to cover more ground when taking a single step from a to b have just as much to do with effective range than mere 'arm length'...

Yet more people trying to simplify things down to a single number.

I'd also dispute Wlad's reach only being 26" like Floyd's... There are no universally accepted standards for where to measure to and from and you will have various people measuring every fighter.

I've seen mike tyon's height recorded every where from 5 foot 9" to 5 foot 11 and 1/2"

[brocktonblockbust]

I agree Adam. Also a law of physics here==the higher up a weight drops from, the more inertia it has and therefore power or force. When somebody 6 foot 7 or 6 foot 9 simply lets their arm drop from that height onto an object, gravity alone adds a significant increase to the force which is imparted upon the impact. If you got a guy 6 foot 8 dropping his arm down onto someone's jaw with very littel added force, that blow is going to be alot more telling than if Joe Frazier lets HIS arm drop from say shoulder-height down onto an object.
If you add the leverage one gets at 6 foot 8, - thats easy to imagine isnt it-- if I swing a stick that is 12 inches long around ion a circle, it will not have the same violent impact on an object it strikes as a stick of twice that length will. And if we had a stick 10 feet long and got it swinging about in a circle, it would demolish the object upon impact.

I say and have been saying for 15 years that a fighter should not be categorized by sheer weight to be a "heavyweight" for example. There should be some kind of formula which factors in height, reach, as well as weight, to make a composite score of what in fact that fighter really is, if he is a heavyweight or a superheavyweight or whatever.

I think it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a guy like 6 foot 1 inch and 210 pounds (a "heavyweight" for sure by current standards) to EVER BE ABLE TO BEAT the Klitschkos.

[greynotsoold]

I don't think it is impossible at all...if the guy knows how to fight, and how to use his lack of height as effectively as Steward taught Wlad to use his height. There is a couple ways to do that, to be short(er) and get in close. Alas, all they teach in these bleak times is to walk straight forward with your gloves up.
You have to either come in low, drawing leads and using them to get closer and counter...or you need to get small and make them reach, knowing your distances. How you fight that fight depends on what your guy brings to the table, and, with Wlad, it isn't easy because he always steps back to maintain that distance...and why? he doesn't take it well, is my thought.

[bzkfn]

Wilder is the only opponent out there than might have the chance of dethroning one of them right now. I still don't like his chances, but his youth and athletic ability might help him get inside and catch one of the Klitschko's on the chin. These other guys are to slow and methodical. We all know the outcome before the fight is even signed.

Wlad used Wilder as a sparring partner for one of his recent bouts, he praised Wilder's handspeed. I hope that fight never happens, but if it does then I'm cheering for Wlad or Vitali.

Why are you cheering for them?

Lyle is actually Hayden Panetierre, and just uses the fake name as to not draw attention.

[Pastor John]

Wilder is the only opponent out there than might have the chance of dethroning one of them right now. I still don't like his chances, but his youth and athletic ability might help him get inside and catch one of the Klitschko's on the chin. These other guys are to slow and methodical. We all know the outcome before the fight is even signed.

Look at this genius predicting the future.

[p4pking]

Only Wilder never dethroned anyone...

[Pastor John]

Wilder is the only opponent out there than might have the chance of dethroning one of them right now. I still don't like his chances, but his youth and athletic ability might help him get inside and catch one of the Klitschko's on the chin. These other guys are to slow and methodical. We all know the outcome before the fight is even signed.

Forget about Wilder and the Klitschkos for a while.

Wladimir is probably done as a dominating heavyweight. That loss to Fury was just pathetic. Wilder keeps winning against descent heavyweights, but so far he can't get the best in the ring. Povetkin always has some time of excuse why he can't fight the top dogs. Look how many years it took him to get in the ring with Wladimir.

[Pastor John]

Only Wilder never dethroned anyone...

He dethroned Stiverne.

[El Kabong]

Only Wilder never dethroned anyone...

He dethroned Stiverne.

Who?

[p4pking]

Only Wilder never dethroned anyone...

He dethroned Stiverne.

Who had dethroned Arreola, who had dethroned.... I'll wait.

[Pastor John]

Only Wilder never dethroned anyone...

He dethroned Stiverne.

Who had dethroned Arreola, who had dethroned.... I'll wait.

I see your point. Who do you want Wilder to dethrone?

[Freedom]

It should be considered that Vitali was age 41 when he fought Charr.

And still, he beat him easily.