Benghazi...oh you knew it was coming

[Gandalf]

The UN is the best of what we have and as has been argued, only rogue states prevent it from working effectively. The worlds sole superpower is the leading rogue state and only academia in that environment would seek to justify it. The same thing happened with Israel in 1967, American academia was suddenly awash with literature telling us why The Holocaust was unique and interestingly it paralleled with Israel being a leading client terrorist state. Likewise, with America rejecting the UN, we are now being told that America can do what it likes and that Nuremburg and the UN, don't/didn't matter. There is no such thing as illegal or legal! This kind of line blurring is incredibly dangerous. Again, it is largely language coming from people educated in America in fields of politics, history etc and in the last decade or so. We have seen much the same with the Chicago school of economics in that double speak is used to basically say US corporations have a right to do anything anywhere. Academia by people who have to justify power and to spread the gospel of power as they are entrenched within.

To argue that something is illegal or not ends up being something that lawyers will dance around. To say that historical precedents have no meaningful factor upon the now is dismissive and something that would only be ever said by someone entrenched within a system and indoctrinated that way. Most rational people would argue that the UN should matter and that the only ones who dislike it would be rogue states such as Israel and America. It is no accident that everyone is wrong all the time and only they are in the right and yet are always a tiny minority and far more than US media sources would ever let on to their public.

The US in particular hates the UN because it shows them that the world disagrees with them on a wide range of issues. This information is never revealed in the media and anything that does is painted into an anti UN story. Sadly, most of those that read papers like to think truth must come from within. This just isn't the case. And then you have absurdist legalese talking about legality of wars and posters on here taking such stances seriously. Law is simply what is permitted in a particular environment and unfortunately we are living in a lawless planet largely due to America. Who needs law when you have a country that pretends such things don't exist with wars and torture and Kafka torture camps and it extends to the homeland too with homeland security etc.

To argue that a war is truly illegal, you would be asking for a paper from God and he doesn't exist, so we operate here on earth with what we have and they are legal precedents as they were settled in courts of law. We just choose to ignore them because the superpower is acting how it wants and most media and academic types just want to justify the system that is.

[El Kabong]

so you don't have documentation then and your argument is moot?