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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    How do you gameplan for this guy? He's got sick power in both hands. He's fearless. He's got a solid chin. He's got underrated boxing skills. He just took out Lamont Petersen like he was just taking out the trash on a Saturday night. And not dissing Petersen, either. Lamont is a solid professional who's been in there with the best. But that was downright scary.

    So how do you gameplan for this guy?
    I think people are getting a little carried away. Has he even fought a pure puncher? The answer is no but listening to Al and the crew you would think he was Chuvalo. He can be out boxed as an over the hill Judah showed and Devon. He caught up to Lamont tonight but seriously I'm not sure how Al can claim he's the best Jr welt in the division. Its like saying Valero was the best lightweight prior to his death because he had a 100% ko ratio. I'm not convinced he's this unstoppable force. Don't get me wrong that was impressive. I hope the Garcia fight gets made and I'd love to see him in with a guy like Rios.

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    How do you gameplan for this guy? He's got sick power in both hands. He's fearless. He's got a solid chin. He's got underrated boxing skills. He just took out Lamont Petersen like he was just taking out the trash on a Saturday night. And not dissing Petersen, either. Lamont is a solid professional who's been in there with the best. But that was downright scary.

    So how do you gameplan for this guy?
    I think people are getting a little carried away. Has he even fought a pure puncher? The answer is no but listening to Al and the crew you would think he was Chuvalo. He can be out boxed as an over the hill Judah showed and Devon. He caught up to Lamont tonight but seriously I'm not sure how Al can claim he's the best Jr welt in the division. Its like saying Valero was the best lightweight prior to his death because he had a 100% ko ratio. I'm not convinced he's this unstoppable force. Don't get me wrong that was impressive. I hope the Garcia fight gets made and I'd love to see him in with a guy like Rios.


    LOL... I know it's easy to get carried away after seeing a performance like that, but it's not like the guy came out of nowhere. His power was being touted before he stepped into the ring, and he didn't disappoint. Matter of fact, he shocked everyone by how easily he dispatched Lamont. You ask has he ever faced a pure puncher. Who is out there right now who would present that type of danger to Matthysse? Garcia and Rios are hard punchers, but not necessarily the "lights out" punching threats that Lucas seems to be. Split decision, controversial losses to Judah and Alexander (in which they were both dropped) is hardly a damning thing to have on your resume, particularly considering that these may have been points on Lucas' learning curve. I'll say this... I don't think either Judah or Alexander see the 12th round against Lucas if they were to fight today.

    I mean, I know boxing is a sport where one fight can either fill, or empty... a bandwagon faster than you can blink. But it's hard not to get excited about this guy for the time being.

    And BTW, I'd love to see Matthysse fight Rios, just so he can rip him a new one.

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Matthysse-Alvarado would make for a great fight

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    How do you gameplan for this guy? He's got sick power in both hands. He's fearless. He's got a solid chin. He's got underrated boxing skills. He just took out Lamont Petersen like he was just taking out the trash on a Saturday night. And not dissing Petersen, either. Lamont is a solid professional who's been in there with the best. But that was downright scary.

    So how do you gameplan for this guy?
    I think people are getting a little carried away. Has he even fought a pure puncher? The answer is no but listening to Al and the crew you would think he was Chuvalo. He can be out boxed as an over the hill Judah showed and Devon. He caught up to Lamont tonight but seriously I'm not sure how Al can claim he's the best Jr welt in the division. Its like saying Valero was the best lightweight prior to his death because he had a 100% ko ratio. I'm not convinced he's this unstoppable force. Don't get me wrong that was impressive. I hope the Garcia fight gets made and I'd love to see him in with a guy like Rios.


    LOL... I know it's easy to get carried away after seeing a performance like that, but it's not like the guy came out of nowhere. His power was being touted before he stepped into the ring, and he didn't disappoint. Matter of fact, he shocked everyone by how easily he dispatched Lamont. You ask has he ever faced a pure puncher. Who is out there right now who would present that type of danger to Matthysse? Garcia and Rios are hard punchers, but not necessarily the "lights out" punching threats that Lucas seems to be. Split decision, controversial losses to Judah and Alexander (in which they were both dropped) is hardly a damning thing to have on your resume, particularly considering that these may have been points on Lucas' learning curve. I'll say this... I don't think either Judah or Alexander see the 12th round against Lucas if they were to fight today.

    I mean, I know boxing is a sport where one fight can either fill, or empty... a bandwagon faster than you can blink. But it's hard not to get excited about this guy for the time being.

    And BTW, I'd love to see Matthysse fight Rios, just so he can rip him a new one.
    I hear what you are saying and have followed his career but its just outside of tonight he's never beaten a prime elite fighter and has really never had his chin checked to claim that he has this Cobb like chin. Would have loved to have seen him and Maidana go at it. The Rios fight would be interesting or Alvarado. I could not help but notice Garcia's face. He looked a little shook. GBP should be able to make this fight pretty easy. Something tells me that we will see a problem with the unification for this fight though. But yeah man he lights a fire in the division and tonight he most certainly served notice.

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    How do you gameplan for this guy? He's got sick power in both hands. He's fearless. He's got a solid chin. He's got underrated boxing skills. He just took out Lamont Petersen like he was just taking out the trash on a Saturday night. And not dissing Petersen, either. Lamont is a solid professional who's been in there with the best. But that was downright scary.

    So how do you gameplan for this guy?
    I think people are getting a little carried away. Has he even fought a pure puncher? The answer is no but listening to Al and the crew you would think he was Chuvalo. He can be out boxed as an over the hill Judah showed and Devon. He caught up to Lamont tonight but seriously I'm not sure how Al can claim he's the best Jr welt in the division. Its like saying Valero was the best lightweight prior to his death because he had a 100% ko ratio. I'm not convinced he's this unstoppable force. Don't get me wrong that was impressive. I hope the Garcia fight gets made and I'd love to see him in with a guy like Rios.
    I think Al is right. His two losses were contentious decisions against top rated fighters in their own backyard (he would almost certainly be unbeaten if the fights took place in Argentina). He just destroyed Peterson, which gives him the jump on Khan. Which leaves Garcia, whose best win is against Khan, and just had a tough fight with Judah.

    So there's definitely an argument for Matthysse to be rated no.1 - And he is improving with big fight experience.
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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Watch the first couple rounds of the fight last night, and how often Matthysse comes up short when he wings that right hand. He throws it from too far away too often. Petersen was skipping back too far out of reach or so busy running away that he never countered it.
    Against a real pro fighter- Petersen is a glorified amateur, at best- that understands distance and isn't afraid, Matthysse will get countered.
    And he commits so much too that right hand, when he throws it and comes up short, those counters should be pretty significant.
    Then there are those wide left swings he throws...honestly, I thought he looked real good against Soto, but he didn't impress me much last night, but Petersen was scared and isn't much good to begin with. Matthysse was showing all the signs of a guy that has fallen in love with his own power, swinging for the fences and looking to end it, and that's the beginning of the end more times than not. Ask Engels Pedroza.

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    Watch the first couple rounds of the fight last night, and how often Matthysse comes up short when he wings that right hand. He throws it from too far away too often. Petersen was skipping back too far out of reach or so busy running away that he never countered it.
    Against a real pro fighter- Petersen is a glorified amateur, at best- that understands distance and isn't afraid, Matthysse will get countered.
    And he commits so much too that right hand, when he throws it and comes up short, those counters should be pretty significant.
    Then there are those wide left swings he throws...honestly, I thought he looked real good against Soto, but he didn't impress me much last night, but Petersen was scared and isn't much good to begin with. Matthysse was showing all the signs of a guy that has fallen in love with his own power, swinging for the fences and looking to end it, and that's the beginning of the end more times than not. Ask Engels Pedroza.
    On the other hand, his strategy for the Peterson fight might have been to push hard for the first few rounds because Peterson has a history of being dropped in the early rounds. Also, I thought he cut the ring off relatively well. It only took him one round really to get that down.

    A pure boxer has and would give him problems. I'm not sure Garcia fits that bill though. I don't actually think anyone currently fighting in the top ten at 140 fits that bill.

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    How do you gameplan for this guy? He's got sick power in both hands. He's fearless. He's got a solid chin. He's got underrated boxing skills. He just took out Lamont Petersen like he was just taking out the trash on a Saturday night. And not dissing Petersen, either. Lamont is a solid professional who's been in there with the best. But that was downright scary.

    So how do you gameplan for this guy?
    I think people are getting a little carried away. Has he even fought a pure puncher? The answer is no but listening to Al and the crew you would think he was Chuvalo. He can be out boxed as an over the hill Judah showed and Devon. He caught up to Lamont tonight but seriously I'm not sure how Al can claim he's the best Jr welt in the division. Its like saying Valero was the best lightweight prior to his death because he had a 100% ko ratio. I'm not convinced he's this unstoppable force. Don't get me wrong that was impressive. I hope the Garcia fight gets made and I'd love to see him in with a guy like Rios.
    I think Al is right. His two losses were contentious decisions against top rated fighters in their own backyard (he would almost certainly be unbeaten if the fights took place in Argentina). He just destroyed Peterson, which gives him the jump on Khan. Which leaves Garcia, whose best win is against Khan, and just had a tough fight with Judah.

    So there's definitely an argument for Matthysse to be rated no.1 - And he is improving with big fight experience.

    Technically speaking I have to agree with you. Last night alone makes the statement that at least he's a contender for top dog but I still think some people and especially the crew are jumping to conclusions. Lamont was the first top 140 lad that he has beaten. Last night Lamont did the right thing in the first round by using the ring but he then followed up in the second by forgetting about the outside half. It was not because Lucas cut the ring off. All and all it was an impressive result worthy of the highlight reel but I just don't think he is what he appears to be.

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    I think he fought Maidana 4 times as an amateur losing 3 and drawing one. In saying that I think Matthysse stops him in the pro ranks but would be a cracking fight. I think Matthysse would struggle against Alexander again. Good boxer with a solid solid chin. Petersons chin has never looked great to me.

    At 140 I cant see anyone beating him but are some great fights id like to see before he moves up, Garcia, Alvarado, Rios and Khan would all be very entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe View Post
    I think he fought Maidana 4 times as an amateur losing 3 and drawing one. In saying that I think Matthysse stops him in the pro ranks but would be a cracking fight. I think Matthysse would struggle against Alexander again. Good boxer with a solid solid chin. Petersons chin has never looked great to me.

    At 140 I cant see anyone beating him but are some great fights id like to see before he moves up, Garcia, Alvarado, Rios and Khan would all be very entertaining.
    It'll be a great fight. But if Ortiz couldn't stop Maidana, I doubt Matthysse would

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe View Post
    I think he fought Maidana 4 times as an amateur losing 3 and drawing one. In saying that I think Matthysse stops him in the pro ranks but would be a cracking fight. I think Matthysse would struggle against Alexander again. Good boxer with a solid solid chin. Petersons chin has never looked great to me.

    At 140 I cant see anyone beating him but are some great fights id like to see before he moves up, Garcia, Alvarado, Rios and Khan would all be very entertaining.
    It'll be a great fight. But if Ortiz couldn't stop Maidana, I doubt Matthysse would

    Victor? He did have Maidana down 3 times before being TKO'ed himself.
    And IMO, Matthysse is a significantly bigger puncher than Ortiz is.

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    Default Re: Does Lucas Matthysse have ANY weaknesses?

    Yea he's weak against movement.. SOmebody with a good punch resistance, stamina, and the ability to stick and move in angles will beat him..

    I see alot of post-fight high comments being thrown around like he's some great boxer-puncher but I dont think his boxing ability is that great. IM not putting him in the same category with the Brandon Rios and the Maidanas but he's certainly not that good of a boxer..

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