Soldier butchered in street in Woolwich

[El Kabong]

There is a higher percentage of Muslims who supports this stuff compared to Hindus and Christians. But that's because Muslims are being bombed and killed in over a dozen conflicts worldwide right now. The United States has killed Muslim women and children in eight different countries in the past few years. Muslims are being killed by a Buddhist majority in Burma right now. If Christians and Hindus were being killed al over the globe by other religions then you'd see exactly the same amount of militancy/terrorism/ whatever from those religions.

....and the Jews? They always get off scot free those lucky bastards!


The Muslims dug their own hole with the US from the very START. Sure SOME Muslim nations were among the very first to recognize the United States as a sovereign nation, but the Barbary Pirates tried to strong arm the US into paying for passage and the newly founded United States Marine Corps got their first big taste of action in the First & Second Barbary Wars where the Devil Dogs stomped a mudhole in their asses.

Now has the US had it's poor run of plays in Muslim nations, sure as fuck we have but who hasn't? I mean everybody 100% of any kind of world power has had issues with the Muslims/Persians/Arabs going back to the days of Greece and Rome.

[IamInuit]

At the risk of being crucified and I touched on this in the Boston bombing thread these kinds of things are long overdue and to be perfectly honest have been almost predictable for years.
The West has this attitude that somehow our lives mean more is some grand scheme. Well they don’t and we sit around and for the most part live out our lives with little fear of being violently killed. Anybody here know the death toll of innocent people killed in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many wedding parties were crashed by bombs wiping out entire families for generations? When we cover such acts it’s written off if addressed at all as the costs of war or national interest or unfortunate mistakes. Its naïve to think that we as citizens will not pay for the actions we are indirectly involved in under the guise of foreign policy.

[ryanman]

At the risk of being crucified and I touched on this in the Boston bombing thread these kinds of things are long overdue and to be perfectly honest have been almost predictable for years.
The West has this attitude that somehow our lives mean more is some grand scheme. Well they don’t and we sit around and for the most part live out our lives with little fear of being violently killed. Anybody here know the death toll of innocent people killed in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many wedding parties were crashed by bombs wiping out entire families for generations? When we cover such acts it’s written off if addressed at all as the costs of war or national interest or unfortunate mistakes. Its naïve to think that we as citizens will not pay for the actions we are indirectly involved in under the guise of foreign policy.

Ok, granted, and I do bear this in mind. But when an angry British/US/Australian etc citizen in the middle east actively seeks out and and kills a completely innocent citizen of that country then that is a fair comparison. Not all killing is equal I'm afraid. Some may say that the fact this guy is a solider somehow makes it more legitimate (which is clearly bullshit in this case) but then they can have no such vindication for 9/11 and 7/7 for example. These attacks would only make any sense (yet would still be disgusting and wrong) if they only targeted military and government infrastructure/personnel. But they don't. When justifying killing our innocents by saying that their innocents are killed daily they are missing the point. Our governments taking actions that result in innocent Muslims being killed is wrong. We all know this and try to feel their pain. But then PURPOSEFULLY attacking our innocents (that do not support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq) is not a like-for-like action. Over one million British citizens marched on the streets of London protesting against the war in Iraq, yet jihadists believe that they are still legitmate targets.

[El Kabong]

At the risk of being crucified and I touched on this in the Boston bombing thread these kinds of things are long overdue and to be perfectly honest have been almost predictable for years.
The West has this attitude that somehow our lives mean more is some grand scheme. Well they don’t and we sit around and for the most part live out our lives with little fear of being violently killed. Anybody here know the death toll of innocent people killed in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many wedding parties were crashed by bombs wiping out entire families for generations? When we cover such acts it’s written off if addressed at all as the costs of war or national interest or unfortunate mistakes. Its naïve to think that we as citizens will not pay for the actions we are indirectly involved in under the guise of foreign policy.

War has changed THIS MUCH....

The Blitz on the UK- just over 8 months 40,000-43,000 civilian deaths
Dresden - 4 bombing raids death toll 22,000-25,000 civilian deaths
Okinawa - 4/1/45-6/22/45 between 42,000-150,000 civilian deaths
Hiroshima - 1 bomb 90,000-160,000 civilian deaths
Nagasaki - 1 bomb 60,000-80,000 civilian deaths

Iraq War - Wikileaks/Classified Iraq War Logs 1/2004-12/2009 66,081 civilian deaths

As for Afghanistan According to the United Nations, the Taliban were responsible for 76% of civilian casualties in Afghanistan in 2009, 75% in 2010 and 80% in 2011


Seriously?.......Seriously? Hey and are the US, Japan, England, Germany resentful towards each other? Have they attacked each other since then? NO....the Muzzies have to get some thicker skin for the love of fuck



Yes I'll catch heat for this but war is war, it ain't patty cake its deadly and it's supposed to be

[IamInuit]

At the risk of being crucified and I touched on this in the Boston bombing thread these kinds of things are long overdue and to be perfectly honest have been almost predictable for years.
The West has this attitude that somehow our lives mean more is some grand scheme. Well they don’t and we sit around and for the most part live out our lives with little fear of being violently killed. Anybody here know the death toll of innocent people killed in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many wedding parties were crashed by bombs wiping out entire families for generations? When we cover such acts it’s written off if addressed at all as the costs of war or national interest or unfortunate mistakes. Its naïve to think that we as citizens will not pay for the actions we are indirectly involved in under the guise of foreign policy.

War has changed THIS MUCH....

The Blitz on the UK- just over 8 months 40,000-43,000 civilian deaths
Dresden - 4 bombing raids death toll 22,000-25,000 civilian deaths
Okinawa - 4/1/45-6/22/45 between 42,000-150,000 civilian deaths
Hiroshima - 1 bomb 90,000-160,000 civilian deaths
Nagasaki - 1 bomb 60,000-80,000 civilian deaths

Iraq War - Wikileaks/Classified Iraq War Logs 1/2004-12/2009 66,081 civilian deaths

As for Afghanistan According to the United Nations, the Taliban were responsible for 76% of civilian casualties in Afghanistan in 2009, 75% in 2010 and 80% in 2011


Seriously?.......Seriously? Hey and are the US, Japan, England, Germany resentful towards each other? Have they attacked each other since then? NO....the Muzzies have to get some thicker skin for the love of fuck



Yes I'll catch heat for this but war is war, it ain't patty cake its deadly and it's supposed to be

Apparently it has changed this much and religion fundamentally had nothing to do with the examples you used. We invaded fundamentalist Muslim countries and bombed a bronze age country back to the stone age. Comparing ww2 to whats happening today is horse shit. I don't give two cents what the excuses are. We the West go around the world stepping on people and many of those people are stuck in a 5th century time warp. A family of 30 gets wiped out over a mistake and it does not even make the news here. A couple of us get killed and its 24/7 coverage. And apparently these people do hold grudges. I don't think they care whether Germany or Japan holds a grudge over WW2 or not. Fact of the matter is we operate with impunity all over their world and answer to nobody. In their mind this is retribution and obviously in its most brutal form. I'm not condoning this. It is unfortunately a sign of the times.

[Kirkland Laing]

Now has the US had it's poor run of plays in Muslim nations, sure as fuck we have but who hasn't?

Lots of countries haven't bombed and killed innocent people in eight Muslim countries in the last few years or sent their military into various Muslim countries. And these countries aren't suffering terrorist attacks because of it!

If you're going to write off invading Muslim countries and killing vast numbers of Muslims, propping up dictators who keep hundreds of millions of Muslims living under tyranny for generations and so on as a "run of poor plays" then you can't expect any sympathy when people knock your skyscrapers down or bomb your sporting events. It's amazing this kind of thing doesn't happen every week.