Scientific Fraud

[El Kabong]

Most people don't have those things, Lyle. They are struggling with what they have. Most given the choice would prefer that their children had a future too and would give up a few things and the super rich should pay a lot more. It is just common sense. It is obvious and yet you yourself would rather accept that it is over and just destroy the planet. That is really selfish. Al Gore is just a figure to bash at.

OK #1 the people preaching about Global Warming DO have those things and they want people to pay for indulgences

#2 Sure people will sacrifice for their kids it's called "being a parent"

#3 The super rich should pay more for what? What the fuck does income redistribution have to do with the climate miles? If the super rich gave up a lot of their money to the super poor then the super poor would all buy cars and spend more money "hurting the environment" so using common sense it's probably better for the environment that a select elite few can own gas guzzling cars and fly in private jets....I just don't want them telling me that I have to be the one to cut back when they are doing things in excess...Charles Bukowski wouldn't tell a teetotaler to cut back on their booze consumption!

#4 Destroy the planet? We couldn't "Destroy the planet" if we TRIED....this Earth has been through far worse than anything the humans could ever do to it and it will be here long after our species had died off so I really don't know what you're fucking talking about.

[Gandalf]

1. If you are suggesting that most have a car etc, then sure they do.
2. Again it is natural for parents to want to help their offspring, but personally I am not sure how true that is. I have no kids, but I would love to help more just as long as others were doing so too.
3. Corporations and wealthy people obviously produce a larger carbon footprint and should thus lead the way. This is planet survival, not just give the 'black man a bowl of fried chicken'. They should pay tax progressively and be forced to reign in their demands to fit a changing world. It is complex and needs thought.
4. Of course we can destroy the planet and you doubt it now living in semi ignorance. Give it 50 years and with little done lets have this same conversation. I don't want to be right, but unless things change, I will and I say that I was right to choose different life paths than most. It will give me no real satisfaction. 50 years will just be the start of the hell that follows.

[El Kabong]

1. If you are suggesting that most have a car etc, then sure they do.
2. Again it is natural for parents to want to help their offspring, but personally I am not sure how true that is. I have no kids, but I would love to help more just as long as others were doing so too.
3. Corporations and wealthy people obviously produce a larger carbon footprint and should thus lead the way. This is planet survival, not just give the 'black man a bowl of fried chicken'. They should pay tax progressively and be forced to reign in their demands to fit a changing world. It is complex and needs thought.
4. Of course we can destroy the planet and you doubt it now living in semi ignorance. Give it 50 years and with little done lets have this same conversation. I don't want to be right, but unless things change, I will and I say that I was right to choose different life paths than most. It will give me no real satisfaction. 50 years will just be the start of the hell that follows.

....FACT

[Andre]

Lyle you are going to have to explain something for me if you dont mind.

The higher level living reefs of the world are being bleached dry of life.

Skin cancer in these effected areas has gone mad its killing us off at about 4 times the rate it was as little as 20 years ago, it was close to unheard of prior to 35 years back here.

Most studies state ozone depletion that lets through harmful rays to us and the reefs and the ice.

These are a few of the things that haven't occurred on Earth before, ever, as in never as yet: Those reefs are millions of years old and they are now dead. Thats a long period of evolution until death.
They dont come back they cant grow back in this climate. Same as our deaths from skin cancer that permeates deeper to kill us off.

So with your beliefs and saying everyone but you is crazy
and without the "Oh nature does these things";

Why do you think these things are occurring from your point of view?