Soldier butchered in street in Woolwich

[Gandalf]

So, ignore the fact that your nation along with poodle Britain invaded a nation after crippling them with sanctions for a decade, and then decided to strike while the iron was hot (or the people left depleted) and then want to say they killed each other. That is pretty nifty, Lyle. Classy.

What happened was the direct result of Saddam Hussein being stubborn. When the Police say "show me your hands" you put your hands up....Saddam didn't heed the warnings.

Sorry the Iraqi civilians got caught in a war zone, but it happens man, it happened in England during The Blitz, and all throughout the history of man. Why you don't directly condemn Obama for drone strikes which murder indiscriminantly is confusing to me, but hey.....YOU are miles....you ARE miles....and you do as you want and death to those who disagree with you

What. Are. You. Gibbering. About.

You invaded a country in Iraq based on a LIE (an obvious one) and I have ALWAYS attacked Obama's drone attacks. This is where it gets silly, I am the person that has attacked drones more than anyone else here and suddenly I am not doing it enough and of course you are on about Obama. Just nuts. You are trying to deflect, but are doing so in a way that is too obvious and weak.

If I kill someone then there should be a trial and everything should be laid open, you would much rather just kill someone and hide the body. It is just Goodfella's silliness. It is too easy to just kill and forget about a trial because there is often a lot more than meets the eye and only those avoiding something want to sweep things under a rug.

The Bin Laden murderer did it just how you liked. I'm surprised he doesn't get even the occasional pass from a right wing thug like yourself.

[El Kabong]

What. Are. You. Gibbering. About.

You invaded a country in Iraq based on a LIE (an obvious one) and I have ALWAYS attacked Obama's drone attacks. This is where it gets silly, I am the person that has attacked drones more than anyone else here and suddenly I am not doing it enough and of course you are on about Obama. Just nuts. You are trying to deflect, but are doing so in a way that is too obvious and weak.

If I kill someone then there should be a trial and everything should be laid open, you would much rather just kill someone and hide the body. It is just Goodfella's silliness. It is too easy to just kill and forget about a trial because there is often a lot more than meets the eye and only those avoiding something want to sweep things under a rug.

The Bin Laden murderer did it just how you liked. I'm surprised he doesn't get even the occasional pass from a right wing thug like yourself.

Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions

Saddam Hussein knowingly and repeatedly violated the law......oh I'm sorry what were you saying recently about the UN saying it was an "illegal" war?

The Bin Laden mission was done well.....would have rather he been taken alive and worked over for information, but whatever what's done is done.

Now Anwar Al Awlaki and his son being murdered is something that irks me because despite what a total shitbag that guy was he was an American citizen and we all have the right to a fair trial.

As for the murderers of that British soldier, shoot....them....dead.....they had weapons and were threatening war, shoot them....problem solved.

[Gandalf]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

[Beanz]

This thread has f*** all to do with Israel.

[Gandalf]

This thread has f*** all to do with Israel.

Comparisons have to be used when discussing with Lyle as he runs all around the playground. Israel is very relevant to the deviating argument Lyle is making. Likewise, you can justify Palestinian resistance against the Israeli's, but to a lesser extent Muslims living in the UK. Again, it would have some grounds based on past grievances.

[El Kabong]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

Israel is surrounded by Arab & Persian states which wish to see it wiped off the map....they defend their territory. You're the daft one

[Gandalf]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

Israel is surrounded by Arab & Persian states which wish to see it wiped off the map....they defend their territory. You're the daft one

Trite, boring and predictable.

Israel is the known invader of several surrounding borders and is the leading terrorist threat in the region.

[El Kabong]

These are tired arguments Lyle. If we tried to apply the same sanctions on Israel as on Iraq they would have failed. Israel violates a lot more than Saddam and yet Israel gets saved with the veto every time. Saddam was a calculacted attempt to weaken and invade. Just daft arguments and every time wilfully ignorant of very easy comparables.

Israel is surrounded by Arab & Persian states which wish to see it wiped off the map....they defend their territory. You're the daft one

Trite, boring and predictable.

Israel is the known invader of several surrounding borders and is the leading terrorist threat in the region.

Yeah because you always hear so much about Israeli suicide bombers. Miles we get it, you're an anti-Semite.

Hey remember that time Israel flew planes into the WTC? Or that time when an Israeli National assassinated Benazir Bhutto and another assassinated Robert F. Kennedy. Oh or the planes the Israelis blew up or hijacked or the time when they killed all the Palestinian Olympians in Munich?

[Kirkland Laing]

What. Are. You. Gibbering. About.

You invaded a country in Iraq based on a LIE (an obvious one) and I have ALWAYS attacked Obama's drone attacks. This is where it gets silly, I am the person that has attacked drones more than anyone else here and suddenly I am not doing it enough and of course you are on about Obama. Just nuts. You are trying to deflect, but are doing so in a way that is too obvious and weak.

If I kill someone then there should be a trial and everything should be laid open, you would much rather just kill someone and hide the body. It is just Goodfella's silliness. It is too easy to just kill and forget about a trial because there is often a lot more than meets the eye and only those avoiding something want to sweep things under a rug.

The Bin Laden murderer did it just how you liked. I'm surprised he doesn't get even the occasional pass from a right wing thug like yourself.

Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions

Saddam Hussein knowingly and repeatedly violated the law......oh I'm sorry what were you saying recently about the UN saying it was an "illegal" war?

The Bin Laden mission was done well.....would have rather he been taken alive and worked over for information, but whatever what's done is done.

Now Anwar Al Awlaki and his son being murdered is something that irks me because despite what a total shitbag that guy was he was an American citizen and we all have the right to a fair trial.

As for the murderers of that British soldier, shoot....them....dead.....they had weapons and were threatening war, shoot them....problem solved.

I thought the UN was a joke that was irrelevant and we shouldn't take seriously about anything?

But hey, let's not quibble about abject hypocrisy over everything whenever it suits you. Let's say UN resolutions actually count for something and breaking them requires action to enforce them (although not in Israel's case, obviously.)

The problem you have here is that only George Bush believed that Saddam had broken UN resolutions and any kind of sanction was necessary. The rest of the world believed an entirly new UN resolution was needed to legitimise any military action against Iraq. And so did George Bush! Initially anyway, until it was clear he wasn't going to get one at which point he went against the wishes of most of the rest of the world and illegally invaded Iraq.

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 War looms as Bush issues final warning
By Dana Milbank and Mike Allen
Washington Post
WASHINGTON — President Bush vowed yesterday to attack Iraq with the "full force and might" of the U.S. military if Saddam Hussein does not flee within 48 hours, setting the nation on an almost certain course to war.



Bush delivered the ultimatum hours after his administration earlier in the day admitted failure in its months-long effort to win the blessing of the U.N. Security Council to forcibly disarm the Iraqi leader. The United Nations ordered its inspectors and humanitarian personnel out of Iraq, and Bush urged foreign nationals to leave the country immediately.


[...]


Earlier in the day, British and U.S. diplomats, facing certain defeat on the Security Council, withdrew a resolution that would have cleared the way for war. Though Bush on Sunday vowed another day of "working the phones," it quickly became clear that as many as 11 of 15 council members remained opposed and the effort was abandoned by 10 a.m.
The withdrawal of the resolution without a vote was a double climb-down for Bush. On Feb. 22, he had predicted victory at the United Nations, and on March 6 he said he wanted a vote regardless of the outcome.


[...]


Bush defiantly asserted a right to attack Iraq, even without sanction from the Security Council. "The United States of America has the sovereign authority to use force in assuring its own national security," he said. "The United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a question of authority. It is a question of will."


http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Mar/18/ln/ln11a.html




And don't forget this was all bullshit anyway. This was a war to get access to the world's second biggest oil reserve for US oil companies.


And it's that kind of thing that pisses Muslims off and causes them to bomb your skyscrapers, sporting events etc.