Paul McCloskey is saying it is a joke if Khan gets a Mayweather fight

[Rantcatrat]

I've got to disagree. Styles make fights and Amir has the speedster style that can be tricky for Mayweather.

A guy like Guerrero is tailor made for Mayweather's style because he's slow and doesn't really give Floyd a whole lot to process. Khan's hand speed, footspeed and jab would force Floyd out of his comfort zone and have him on his toes and thinking (same reason Pacquaio would have been an interesting matchup for Floyd).

I think Khan has much more of a chance to beat Mayweather than guys like Bradley, Garcia, Matthyse, and most of the other potential Floyd matchups.

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

[Silkeyjoe]

I've got to disagree. Styles make fights and Amir has the speedster style that can be tricky for Mayweather.

A guy like Guerrero is tailor made for Mayweather's style because he's slow and doesn't really give Floyd a whole lot to process. Khan's hand speed, footspeed and jab would force Floyd out of his comfort zone and have him on his toes and thinking (same reason Pacquaio would have been an interesting matchup for Floyd).

I think Khan has much more of a chance to beat Mayweather than guys like Bradley, Garcia, Matthyse, and most of the other potential Floyd matchups.

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

First of all I dont think Khan beats Mayweather but I disagree with the comment above. A)Khan got caught early against Prescott and didnt have a chance to show his speed. B) He had Perterson down on the 1st round and had him in trouble. Peterson was on steroids that gave him the extra edge. C) Garcia was in trouble, was getting picked apart and had a nasty cut. If he hadnt caught him he could have been stopped.

I think Khan has a better chance of beating Floyd then Garcia because there is a chance Khan could win on points. No way in hell is Garcia getting a points victory against Mayweather and Mayweather is too good at avoiding getting hit to be troubled by Garcias hooks

[Rantcatrat]

I've got to disagree. Styles make fights and Amir has the speedster style that can be tricky for Mayweather.

A guy like Guerrero is tailor made for Mayweather's style because he's slow and doesn't really give Floyd a whole lot to process. Khan's hand speed, footspeed and jab would force Floyd out of his comfort zone and have him on his toes and thinking (same reason Pacquaio would have been an interesting matchup for Floyd).

I think Khan has much more of a chance to beat Mayweather than guys like Bradley, Garcia, Matthyse, and most of the other potential Floyd matchups.

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

First of all I dont think Khan beats Mayweather but I disagree with the comment above. A)Khan got caught early against Prescott and didnt have a chance to show his speed. B) He had Perterson down on the 1st round and had him in trouble. Peterson was on steroids that gave him the extra edge. C) Garcia was in trouble, was getting picked apart and had a nasty cut. If he hadnt caught him he could have been stopped.

I think Khan has a better chance of beating Floyd then Garcia because there is a chance Khan could win on points. No way in hell is Garcia getting a points victory against Mayweather and Mayweather is too good at avoiding getting hit to be troubled by Garcias hooks

It wasn't a question of who would be easier for Floyd, Garcia or Khan, but whether Khan has a legitimate chance at beating Mayweather. So he had moments against Peterson, Prescott, and Garcia? The point is all those guys found ways to beat Khan, and they are nowhere near the level of Mayweather. If Garcia can time him, if Peterson can force him to fight Peterson's fight, and if Prescott can land that punch, Mayweather can do all those things and a lot more. I'm sorry but it was the same thing with Guerrero; Khan just isn't a challenge for Mayweather. He just isn't. I can't see it.

Missy hates Khan. I feel her. I don't, but against Mayweather, it's just a different level. @Beanflicker thinks very, very highly of Khan. Khan is a good fighter. He's a solid top ten junior welterweight (I think?). Who has been his best win at junior welterweight? Judah? Paulie? Am I missing someone?

[Silkeyjoe]

I've got to disagree. Styles make fights and Amir has the speedster style that can be tricky for Mayweather.

A guy like Guerrero is tailor made for Mayweather's style because he's slow and doesn't really give Floyd a whole lot to process. Khan's hand speed, footspeed and jab would force Floyd out of his comfort zone and have him on his toes and thinking (same reason Pacquaio would have been an interesting matchup for Floyd).

I think Khan has much more of a chance to beat Mayweather than guys like Bradley, Garcia, Matthyse, and most of the other potential Floyd matchups.

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

First of all I dont think Khan beats Mayweather but I disagree with the comment above. A)Khan got caught early against Prescott and didnt have a chance to show his speed. B) He had Perterson down on the 1st round and had him in trouble. Peterson was on steroids that gave him the extra edge. C) Garcia was in trouble, was getting picked apart and had a nasty cut. If he hadnt caught him he could have been stopped.

I think Khan has a better chance of beating Floyd then Garcia because there is a chance Khan could win on points. No way in hell is Garcia getting a points victory against Mayweather and Mayweather is too good at avoiding getting hit to be troubled by Garcias hooks

It wasn't a question of who would be easier for Floyd, Garcia or Khan, but whether Khan has a legitimate chance at beating Mayweather. So he had moments against Peterson, Prescott, and Garcia? The point is all those guys found ways to beat Khan, and they are nowhere near the level of Mayweather. If Garcia can time him, if Peterson can force him to fight Peterson's fight, and if Prescott can land that punch, Mayweather can do all those things and a lot more. I'm sorry but it was the same thing with Guerrero; Khan just isn't a challenge for Mayweather. He just isn't. I can't see it.

Missy hates Khan. I feel her. I don't, but against Mayweather, it's just a different level. @Beanflicker thinks very, very highly of Khan. Khan is a good fighter. He's a solid top ten junior welterweight (I think?). Who has been his best win at junior welterweight? Judah? Paulie? Am I missing someone?

Who is a challenge for Mayweather? I thought that was the argument. And I think Khan is more of a challenge then a guy like Garcia. Again Ill repeat, I do not think Khan will beat Mayweather

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I've got to disagree. Styles make fights and Amir has the speedster style that can be tricky for Mayweather.

A guy like Guerrero is tailor made for Mayweather's style because he's slow and doesn't really give Floyd a whole lot to process. Khan's hand speed, footspeed and jab would force Floyd out of his comfort zone and have him on his toes and thinking (same reason Pacquaio would have been an interesting matchup for Floyd).

I think Khan has much more of a chance to beat Mayweather than guys like Bradley, Garcia, Matthyse, and most of the other potential Floyd matchups.

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

First of all I dont think Khan beats Mayweather but I disagree with the comment above. A)Khan got caught early against Prescott and didnt have a chance to show his speed. B) He had Perterson down on the 1st round and had him in trouble. Peterson was on steroids that gave him the extra edge. C) Garcia was in trouble, was getting picked apart and had a nasty cut. If he hadnt caught him he could have been stopped.

I think Khan has a better chance of beating Floyd then Garcia because there is a chance Khan could win on points. No way in hell is Garcia getting a points victory against Mayweather and Mayweather is too good at avoiding getting hit to be troubled by Garcias hooks

It wasn't a question of who would be easier for Floyd, Garcia or Khan, but whether Khan has a legitimate chance at beating Mayweather. So he had moments against Peterson, Prescott, and Garcia? The point is all those guys found ways to beat Khan, and they are nowhere near the level of Mayweather. If Garcia can time him, if Peterson can force him to fight Peterson's fight, and if Prescott can land that punch, Mayweather can do all those things and a lot more. I'm sorry but it was the same thing with Guerrero; Khan just isn't a challenge for Mayweather. He just isn't. I can't see it.

Missy hates Khan. I feel her. I don't, but against Mayweather, it's just a different level. @Beanflicker thinks very, very highly of Khan. Khan is a good fighter. He's a solid top ten junior welterweight (I think?). Who has been his best win at junior welterweight? Judah? Paulie? Am I missing someone?

This, however, I feel it's too obvious to even debate.

Khan is not a smart fighter, is chinny and some folks think he is going to outbox Mayweather and you wonder why I take the piss?

[bzkfn]

Khan is not a smart fighter, is chinny and some folks think he is going to outbox Mayweather and you wonder why I take the piss?

In boxing, anything can happen. The chances of a Welter/Junior Welter beating Mayweather are very, very slim. The guy is just a different level. So as a fan, you look for the skills that make the most viable opponent for him. Mayweather was hurt by Mosley, so some would like to see how an older Mayweather would stand up against a solid puncher like Lucas Matthysse. Likewise, Mayweather had a little trouble Judah's speed, so people think that as Khan is a faster fighter, Floyd may struggle with someone who is just as fast. Everyone is beatable. Everyone has a weakness. The problem is that Floyd's weaknesses are barely visable, so the average fan is going to cling on to something he has struggled with, even if it was slight. Some have argued that Khan is more viable than Garcia. This is purely stylistically, and has nothing to do with if they think Khan is better than Garcia, it is more that Khan has a skill that is more likely to pose Mayweather a problem than Garcia.

[Fenster]

Roy Jones thinks Khan has the speed and style to give Floyd problems too.

[Beanflicker]

This, however, I feel it's too obvious to even debate.

Khan is not a smart fighter, is chinny and some folks think he is going to outbox Mayweather and you wonder why I take the piss?

Someone wanna show me where I (or anyone else) said he'd beat Mayweather?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

This, however, I feel it's too obvious to even debate.

Khan is not a smart fighter, is chinny and some folks think he is going to outbox Mayweather and you wonder why I take the piss?

Someone wanna show me where I (or anyone else) said he'd beat Mayweather?

So McCloskey is right then? Good. End of discussion.

[Beanflicker]

So McCloskey is right then? Good. End of discussion.

100% right, I defended him on the first page.

My issue was with people saying that it's an easy fight for Floyd.

[Beanflicker]

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

I'm not saying he beats Floyd, I'm just saying he poses more of a risk than Matthyse, Garcia and Bradley.

Again, different fighters, different styles. Ali beat Shavers and Foreman convincingly, but he struggled mightly against Norton and Frazier. Shavers and Foreman had no problem with Norton, and Foreman certainly had no trouble with Frazier.

Peterson, Diaz, Garcia, and Prescott don't fight the same way Mayweather does. Obviously they are inferior, but Floyd isn't going to fight that kind of fight against Khan. Its not what he does.

[Rantcatrat]

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

I'm not saying he beats Floyd, I'm just saying he poses more of a risk than Matthyse, Garcia and Bradley.

Again, different fighters, different styles. Ali beat Shavers and Foreman convincingly, but he struggled mightly against Norton and Frazier. Shavers and Foreman had no problem with Norton, and Foreman certainly had no trouble with Frazier.

Peterson, Diaz, Garcia, and Prescott don't fight the same way Mayweather does. Obviously they are inferior, but Floyd isn't going to fight that kind of fight against Khan. Its not what he does.

None of those guys pose any risk of beating Mayweather so I'm not sure the point. Matthysse makes 140 comfortably, as does Garcia. I don't think they have even have the size to compete with Mayweather, let alone the skills. However, I would favor Matthysse over Khan and Garcia.

For "challenges" to Mayweather, I would say no one at junior welterweight or welterweight poses a challenge for Mayweather. For a challenge, he has to move up. For example, I would argue Martinez, Trout, Lara/Angulo winner, and Canelo are tougher challenges than Garcia, Matthysse and Khan.

We shouldn't consider Bradley because he's with Top Rank.

[IamInuit]

Amir Khan has fast hands. However, Amir Khan's speed didn't help him against Danny Garcia, a far more limited fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Julio Diaz didn't have too many issues with it either. Neither did Lamont Peterson or Breides Prescott. How is his speed going to cause Floyd Mayweather problems if the rest of those guys didn't have many issues with it?

Most of the time, just because fighter A beats fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C beats fighter B. But, if you lose to Danny Garcia, Breides Prescott, Lamont Peterson, and almost lose to Julio Diaz, you aren't beating Floyd Mayweather.

I'm not saying he beats Floyd, I'm just saying he poses more of a risk than Matthyse, Garcia and Bradley.

Again, different fighters, different styles. Ali beat Shavers and Foreman convincingly, but he struggled mightly against Norton and Frazier. Shavers and Foreman had no problem with Norton, and Foreman certainly had no trouble with Frazier.

Peterson, Diaz, Garcia, and Prescott don't fight the same way Mayweather does. Obviously they are inferior, but Floyd isn't going to fight that kind of fight against Khan. Its not what he does.

None of those guys pose any risk of beating Mayweather so I'm not sure the point. Matthysse makes 140 comfortably, as does Garcia. I don't think they have even have the size to compete with Mayweather, let alone the skills. However, I would favor Matthysse over Khan and Garcia.

For "challenges" to Mayweather, I would say no one at junior welterweight or welterweight poses a challenge for Mayweather. For a challenge, he has to move up. For example, I would argue Martinez, Trout, Lara/Angulo winner, and Canelo are tougher challenges than Garcia, Matthysse and Khan.

We shouldn't consider Bradley because he's with Top Rank.

Good post. Floyds kind of between a rock and a hard place. Floyd is a natural weight fighter in a world of unnatural weight fighters. Floyd is expected to meet or beat the legacies of Leonard, Armstrong, Robinson and the like and yet those guys never had to deal with the fight weight disparity's of today. Sure there are exceptions like Greb beating some contending heavyweights along with Tunney once arguably twice and then Langfords roll through the divisions but they never had to deal with the science of massive rehydration.

Now when we move along in time and get to Armstrong he challenged Ross for the 147 title and weighed in under lightweight. But Ross weighed in at 142 and was probably under 147 at fight time.
When Robinson fought Lamotta, the first 3 times he weighed under 147 and Lamotta under 160 once and a tad over twice. Again I would wager that Jake never weighed much over what he weighed in at the night of the fight. When Leonard fought Hagler he had been retired for 3 years and essentially went out as a jr middle and he waited Marvin out a bit and Marvin was probably only 165 at fight time. Its the reason Marvin never fought Spinks. 175 was just to big for him.

Floyd is dealing with an entirely different animal today. He's already been fighting bigger guys since he moved to 147. Now he is expected to go fight guys that are close to light heavyweight the night of the fight. It's as if there is some internal objective to just see the guy lose at any cost. Just keep raising the bar.

Having finished that long winded diatribe I think you are right. I think he has to move up. There is already a kind of negative historic bias surrounding Floyd, some justified some not and if he just sits out his contract fighting no hopers then historians may not be so kind rightly or wrongly. I do however think that the winner of Lucas/Garcia would e a nice notch. I do not agree though that they are to small. Both I bet weigh more then Floyd on fight night also.

[Beanflicker]

For a challenge, he has to move up. For example, I would argue Martinez, Trout, Lara/Angulo winner, and Canelo are tougher challenges than Garcia, Matthysse and Khan.

No arguments there.

My view is that when talking about beating Mayweather with guys 147 or under, you're talking about a "puncher's chance", because nobody is going to outfox the guy. Khan, with his speed and combination punching, has much more of a chance to either land something meaningful or steal a few rounds with flashy combos. Guys like Matthyse and Garcia aren't going to land shit.

I want the Canelo fight. There's no one at 147 or below I'm really interested in seeing Mayweather against. Bradley was lucky to escape with victories over Pacquiao and Provodnikov.