Tyson Vs Ali. I know it's been beat to death, but I need help

[El Kabong]

The Tyson nuts are back

Ali fought and smashed 4 Tyson-esque fighters: Patterson, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman. Patterson used Tyson's style, Foreman & Liston had Tyson's killer instinct and punching power, and Frazier had Tyson's determination.

Tyson was NEVER unbeatable the perception was there but that ain't the truth.

[Beanflicker]

The Tyson nuts are back

Ali fought and smashed 4 Tyson-esque fighters: Patterson, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman. Patterson used Tyson's style, Foreman & Liston had Tyson's killer instinct and punching power, and Frazier had Tyson's determination.

Tyson was NEVER unbeatable the perception was there but that ain't the truth.

You can't compare Tyson to Patterson, Liston, Frazier and Foreman. To say that any of these guys are "Tyson-esque" is just insane.

Patterson had the similar style and hand speed but that's where the comparison ends.

Frazier was inferior to Tyson in every conceivable way (other than maybe heart).

Liston and Foreman were Tyson-esque? Maybe in the sense that they punched hard, were black and looked scary... that's about where the similarities end.

[Master]

I love the fact that El Kabong is sending Ali, I think he is saying Liston and Foreman were scary and intimidating but Ali was never affected by that.

[El Kabong]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

[imp]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

Good point

The fact foreman came back as an old man and got the heavyweight title back just shows how tough as nails he was in both eras.

Foreman is another hof heavyweight but just because he made frazier his bitch would not be a sure thing with iron mike.

[El Kabong]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

Good point

The fact foreman came back as an old man and got the heavyweight title back just shows how tough as nails he was in both eras.

Foreman is another hof heavyweight but just because he made frazier his bitch would not be a sure thing with iron mike.

Foreman would beat Tyson because he had a great jab, he had a solid chin, he never fought going backwards, and he was willing and strong enough to move his opponent into range by pushing them and turning them

[walrus]

Completely agree with the above statement. Foreman was an artist with the jab. He was before my time but man I love to watch his fights. I saw an interview with him and he said one of the sad things about boxing these days is too many guys don't rely, develops or appreciate the jab. Tyson is the guy non boxing fans talk about frequently. I think anger was always a big part of Tysons fight plan. You guys said it several times prior but if Tyson had been able to keep his head on straight who knows what might have been. Sorry, this was supposed to be about Ali but I get worked up when people talk about Foreman.

[brocktonblockbust]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

Good point

The fact foreman came back as an old man and got the heavyweight title back just shows how tough as nails he was in both eras.

Foreman is another hof heavyweight but just because he made frazier his bitch would not be a sure thing with iron mike.

oh oh oohhhhh!!!!! disagree here. Tyson would bob his way right into one of those HELLISH left uppercuts from Foreman. George Foreman does not lose do you people understand that>

GEORGE FOREMAN DOES NOT LOSE---HE KNOCKS OUT MARCIANO IN 1 ROUND. I AM SAYING THAT THIS IS COMIOMNG FROM THE BROCKTON BLOCKBUSTER MYSELF.

[IamInuit]

Foreman vs Tyson is another hypothetical that is not cut and dry for me. When did Foreman possess this dynamite jab? What fights did he display it in? Sorry but I’m lost on that one. Foreman was a much more disciplined and technical boxer post Jimmy Young or ten years after his prime and the only two people he faced after Young that were even close to Tyson were Qawi and Axel Shultz and Axel got robbed. In his so-called dominant years he was a flailing clubber who had the overall movement of a tree trunk and was sloth slow. Just because he managed to club down Frazier and Norton does not mean he does that to Tyson. Foreman never encountered anyone remotely close to a prime Tyson. The short hooks from either side, the head movement and overall speed, the feints. Foreman gets a lot of mileage for Frazier and Norton and although it might not sit well with some folks he is one of the most overrated heavyweights of all time imo.