Tyson Vs Ali. I know it's been beat to death, but I need help

[El Kabong]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

[imp]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

Good point

The fact foreman came back as an old man and got the heavyweight title back just shows how tough as nails he was in both eras.

Foreman is another hof heavyweight but just because he made frazier his bitch would not be a sure thing with iron mike.

[El Kabong]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

Good point

The fact foreman came back as an old man and got the heavyweight title back just shows how tough as nails he was in both eras.

Foreman is another hof heavyweight but just because he made frazier his bitch would not be a sure thing with iron mike.

Foreman would beat Tyson because he had a great jab, he had a solid chin, he never fought going backwards, and he was willing and strong enough to move his opponent into range by pushing them and turning them

[walrus]

Completely agree with the above statement. Foreman was an artist with the jab. He was before my time but man I love to watch his fights. I saw an interview with him and he said one of the sad things about boxing these days is too many guys don't rely, develops or appreciate the jab. Tyson is the guy non boxing fans talk about frequently. I think anger was always a big part of Tysons fight plan. You guys said it several times prior but if Tyson had been able to keep his head on straight who knows what might have been. Sorry, this was supposed to be about Ali but I get worked up when people talk about Foreman.

[brocktonblockbust]

Cus trained Patterson that style of training hasn't advanced at all since then its still the same.

Who did Tyson compare himself to most? SONNY LISTON and also Jack Dempsey but usually Sonny. Who learned directly from Liston? George Foreman.

I may also add that Foreman would have made Tyson his bitch.

Good point

The fact foreman came back as an old man and got the heavyweight title back just shows how tough as nails he was in both eras.

Foreman is another hof heavyweight but just because he made frazier his bitch would not be a sure thing with iron mike.

oh oh oohhhhh!!!!! disagree here. Tyson would bob his way right into one of those HELLISH left uppercuts from Foreman. George Foreman does not lose do you people understand that>

GEORGE FOREMAN DOES NOT LOSE---HE KNOCKS OUT MARCIANO IN 1 ROUND. I AM SAYING THAT THIS IS COMIOMNG FROM THE BROCKTON BLOCKBUSTER MYSELF.

[IamInuit]

Foreman vs Tyson is another hypothetical that is not cut and dry for me. When did Foreman possess this dynamite jab? What fights did he display it in? Sorry but I’m lost on that one. Foreman was a much more disciplined and technical boxer post Jimmy Young or ten years after his prime and the only two people he faced after Young that were even close to Tyson were Qawi and Axel Shultz and Axel got robbed. In his so-called dominant years he was a flailing clubber who had the overall movement of a tree trunk and was sloth slow. Just because he managed to club down Frazier and Norton does not mean he does that to Tyson. Foreman never encountered anyone remotely close to a prime Tyson. The short hooks from either side, the head movement and overall speed, the feints. Foreman gets a lot of mileage for Frazier and Norton and although it might not sit well with some folks he is one of the most overrated heavyweights of all time imo.

[El Kabong]

Watch how Foreman uses his hands to steer Frazier away from him. Foreman is out of range to Joe because his arms are so long and he's making Joe waste energy....lots of it. You can see from Foreman's footwork he wasn't just a slow plodding guy, he was just a guy who liked to have his feet firmly planted so he could really sit down on those power punches. Foreman's power was such that he didn't have to land clean, even a partially blocked shot would hurt a fighter.

Yes Mike Tyson probably would have offered more punches, but he would have also wanted to clinch and Foreman wouldn't have allowed that he would have kept Mike at distance.

I think one of the most underrated punches Foreman had in his arsenal was his right hook, yes it was a huge haymaker but he always threw that to the body and it was just a big clubbing, thudding power punch you had to brace your entire body for.

After watching Holyfield manhandle Mike Tyson in their bout I have 0 doubts Foreman whether (Old or Young) would have demolished Tyson....he's just too scary...too tough....too mean. George Foreman is the Boogie Man that haunts Mike Tyson's Boogie Man, he's just a scary SOB in the ring.

[walrus]

Sorry I am not literate enough to post links but thebleacherreport.com
Has some excellent articles about the top twenty jabs. Foreman makes everyone list. Granted these lists can be subjective as they always are but I think it is fair to put Foreman on any of these lists.

[Master]

Foreman developed an effective jab after his comeback before that Big George by his own admission was a crude boxer. This is why I feel Tyson’s quick hands, head movement and foot speed would have been able to hurt Big George and ultimately win a hard fought decision similar to what he did with Rudduck.