Can froch now legitimately claim to be remembered as better than Calzaghe

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Just because Froch gets hit more often than Calzaghe doesnt make him tougher. Froch did get dropped by Taylor, a middle weight who couldnt drop welter weight Spinks or light middle Ouma.

Froch hasnt really fought any noted big punchers other than Kessler.

Id like to see how Froch deals with Bika

So I assume that Froch-Kessler II is the first Froch fight you've ever seen then?

Iv seen all his fights, I think, from when he turned pro. The only people you would have said were dangerous punchers at super middle when Froch fought them were Bute and Kessler.

I agree, Froch is tough but to say hes tougher than Joe is daft. Taking punches doesnt equal tough. Froch didnt have it in himself to turn up the pressure in the first fight with Kessler because he likes to fight at his pace in his comfort zone. Like Abraham there is a myth that these kinds of fighters have good stamina and come on in the late rounds but when you look at their work rate its consistant and low. the oponent is ususally doing the working and winning until they tire but against the top boys it doesnt work like that, they will be there with you and against Calzaghe he would never have had the luxury of a tiring fighter in front of him.

He learned he had to do it in the rematch but I didnt see him as a clear winner again. I saw it a draw. Kesslers work in those mid rounds to 11th outshone what Froch was trying to do and I think it earnt Kessler a draw. I cant remember the exact rounds but between 4 and 11 Kessler to me wan the majority.

[Beanz]

Just because Froch gets hit more often than Calzaghe doesnt make him tougher. Froch did get dropped by Taylor, a middle weight who couldnt drop welter weight Spinks or light middle Ouma.

Froch hasnt really fought any noted big punchers other than Kessler.

Id like to see how Froch deals with Bika

So I assume that Froch-Kessler II is the first Froch fight you've ever seen then?

Iv seen all his fights, I think, from when he turned pro. The only people you would have said were dangerous punchers at super middle when Froch fought them were Bute and Kessler.

I agree, Froch is tough but to say hes tougher than Joe is daft. Taking punches doesnt equal tough. Froch didnt have it in himself to turn up the pressure in the first fight with Kessler because he likes to fight at his pace in his comfort zone. Like Abraham there is a myth that these kinds of fighters have good stamina and come on in the late rounds but when you look at their work rate its consistant and low. the oponent is ususally doing the working and winning until they tire but against the top boys it doesnt work like that, they will be there with you and against Calzaghe he would never have had the luxury of a tiring fighter in front of him.

He learned he had to do it in the rematch but I didnt see him as a clear winner again. I saw it a draw. Kesslers work in those mid rounds to 11th outshone what Froch was trying to do and I think it earnt Kessler a draw. I cant remember the exact rounds but between 4 and 11 Kessler to me wan the majority.

[Master]

Joe was the better fighter and was undisputed champ. Carl is not.